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Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 5:10pm
And that doesn't justify jumping doen peoples throats if they don't agree with you. (Not dircted at you, Steph.)
Comment by alexa penzner on October 6, 2011 at 5:09pm

Dearest Ian,

 

Firstly, it might help, I suppose (though given your obvious bitterness, I suppose little will) to acknowledge the facts. You imply that there was little if any coverage of the high suicide rate at FoxConn in the US. That is either an error on your part or a misrepresentation to put it kindly. There was extensive coverage. You may wish to make use of a wonderful new piece of programming called Google with the abilities of which you would appear to be unfamiliar.

 

If you know anything (which seems doubtful) of the complexities and subtleties of raising living and other standards in the less-developed world, even ones such as China with a deep and rich history, you might know that these matters are not simple – however much you’d like them to be. An acquaintance of mine who cut his teeth on these matters of international economic and cultural development at Hopkins and studied primarily with teachers from the third world, who came originally from very modest backgrounds and were extremely concerned with how best to develop less-developed economies, pointed out to me that there are a number of enormous problems. For one thing, for example, no matter how much you might want to raise the wages of the folks in your factories rapidly if you do it too far, too fast, it’s been known to sometimes cause the collapse of the rest of the local economy. Note that I’m not saying this as an excuse for the rapacious bastards who simply wish to exploit low-wage workers, but that it can be a real problem, and it’s a challenge, even if you’re determined to improve the local situation. You can only move so far, so fast. It’s your moral obligation to move as fast as you can, but you have to do it intelligently, and that isn’t easy. It’s a question, to use an old machinist’s expression, of ‘speeds and feeds’.

 

That said, what you neglect to note, is that as soon as Apple learned of the issue, it did in fact take responsible action.

 

Apple immediately – and I mean immediately – dispatched Tim Cook (who now heads Apple) as their director of operations and production to the Foxconn plant in Shenzhen accompanied by a full team of experts, including experts on suicide prevention, and an overall assessment was made of the plant’s operations with particular focus on this issue. It is not a simple issue. You’re dealing in most cases with workers who have relocated far from home, often from rural villages, and are living far from their loved ones in a challenging and alien environment. Stress will be high. The very fact that Cook, director of all such operations and the ultimate decision maker of who would and would not get contracts from Apple went swiftly, personally, with a full team, sent an extremely powerful message to Foxconn and was intended to do so in no uncertain terms. An independent team of suicide experts was then immediately dispatched and arrived, which surveyed over 1,000 employees in confidence and with guarantees, and also reviewed in depth each of the cases of suicides. Counselors were hired, a 24 hour centre was established. The team also called for additional steps with respect to staff training, and specified other steps, which were taken, and were subject to review and monitoring.

 

It seems, from your brief emotional outburst that you haven’t troubled yourself to become acquainted with the actual facts, which are complicated and subtle, and simply prefer to rage and vent. Fine, that’s your privilege, but it might be more impressive if you had some slight familiarity with the facts, and roused yourself to reason.

 

I don’t expect that to happen.

 

I don’t bet on losing horses.

 

Foxconn, if you know anything at all (also doubtful) of Chinese industry, is an enormous outfit and subcontracts for everyone in sight. All indications from this as well as comparable matters is that Apple sincerely, truly, and effectively 

Perhaps you might consider their example, rather than broadcasting your own bile, neglect of actual familiarity with the facts under consideration, and simple free-floating anger.

 

Or consider the services of a competent counselor.

 

I’m sure they’d appreciate the enormous challenges you’d present.

 

In your state of self-righteous, self-celebrating moral indignation, I’m sure you’ll vow to not use any electronic devices of whatever sort from whatever manufacturer whose operations you haven’t personally researched in depth – in other words, nothing from Foxconn et al. This presents the additional benefit that, rendered incapable of any form of electronic communication, we’ll be spared your pointless, self-important, self-indulgent bloviating in future.

 

Or, in the words of the immortal Opus, "pppphhhhhttttt!!"

 

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on October 6, 2011 at 4:48pm
I am sorry for those mourning his loss.  However, I never cared for the man.
Comment by Steph S. on October 6, 2011 at 4:34pm
I'm a fan of Wozniak. I know the story very well. We are Steve Jobs fans and we are mourning his death. We acknowledge his imperfections. A little compassion at this time would be appreciated.
Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on October 6, 2011 at 4:16pm

I have always understood his partner Steve Wozniak was the real computer genius behind Apple computers and he is credited with a lot of the inventions people now appear to be attributing to Steve Jobs.  They don't call him the "wonderful wizard of Woz", "wheels of Zeus" or "iWoz" for no reason.  Good news!   The Woz is still alive and inventing stuff for Apple. 

 

I never cared for Steve Jobs because of his treatment of his illegitimate daughter. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-secret-private-life/sto...

Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 4:02pm
Not to mention that Steve Jobs didn't invent the computer.  Or electronic parts for that matter.
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 4:01pm

Alexa, Steve Jobs wasn't God, so why are you acting like he was? 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#Labor_practices

Comment by alexa penzner on October 6, 2011 at 3:49pm

Ian - you obviously have a computer !!!!  you are exploiting the chinese workers yourself!!! and i'd like to know where you get your so-called information!! 

Opus and I say"ppphhhhhhttttt!"  so let's see you throw out your computer now, i'll wait for you to do that - yeah, like you will. . . oh, and your cell phone, your tv and whatever else you have with electronic parts. 

 

Comment by alexa penzner on October 6, 2011 at 3:39pm

hi steph - thank you so much for saying what you did - i am really becoming less and less proud of the people on this site. If it weren't for Jobs, the people using their _______ computers wouldn't have half the stuff they do have to use on them.

 

sorry, for the rant - i am just really surprised at the reaction here - 

 

steph - i'd love talk to you some time.   :]

Comment by Carl Pastor on October 6, 2011 at 2:54pm
my first combputer was a plus in 87. it worked fine. yes some workers in china are exploited but their middle claas is bigger then our entire population
 

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