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Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 21. 81 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Let's not define ourselves or others by our worst behaviors

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Dominique Lutz Apr 16. 6 Replies

My take on the recent melt down at Hang With Friends, of which I missed part, is that some of us were tripped up by a habit of thought. It's something we learn growing up, and use without realizing how much pain it can generate -  failing to…Continue

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The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Mar 29. 3 Replies

The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling"the internet is a lifeline for people trapped in the most restrictive and stifling forms of…Continue

Tags: Warren Jeff, internet, FLDS

Ode to Yahweh (Non Stamp Collector & 43alley)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 24. 1 Reply

Ages ago (five or six years, I guess it is) when I first started recognizing my own atheism, one of the first atheist YouTubers I ran onto was Non Stamp Collector.  His handiwork wasn't up to Disney's standards, nor even Hanna-Barbera, but his wit…Continue

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Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 15. 3 Replies

Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline"Populations of Eel-like lamprey have suddenly plummeted since the year 2000 in the Columbia Basin, surprising…Continue

Richard Dawkins, Growing Up in the Universe

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 14. 2 Replies

Here is an oldie, the young Richard Dawkins teaching kids about the universe. I especially like the one demonstrating how the eye evolved. This should answer those who believe it was impossible to evolve an eye. Continue

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 19, 2012 at 2:56pm

Booklover....I remember myself when I was seventeen and into my early 20's.  I thought I was on top of the world and knew it all, however I don't recall being overly egotistical.  That's a personality trait I've never really had.  (At least I think so.)  However, some people are just plain egotistical at ANY age and express it openly.  This young man may grow up, become wiser about the ways of the world and still be obnoxiously egotistical.  I hope the remainder of his visit with you goes smoothly.        

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 19, 2012 at 2:30pm

Sk8eycat.....was Jerry Falwell a used car salesman at one time?  Or where you just implying that he sounded like one?  BTW, I loved what Hitchens had to say about Falwell after he died.

I'm reminded again about how much Hitchens is missed.  Absolutely no other person would dare go on television and say the things he said with such conviction and eloquence. 

Comment by Sarah on July 19, 2012 at 2:26pm

Booklover, I'm sorry you found so much offense in my comment. You did, though, convey here, at least, that it was egotistical of him to think he has all the answers and that you found no more value in talking to him as a result. And that much of this view is based on his age versus yours. I don't think it's unreasonable to surmise that it's at least possible he felt that attitude and responded to it. And really, if you read my comment carefully, you would note that I wasn't suggesting that is what happened, but that I would have responded that way at 17.

You're certainly not making me feel like my views are at all worth considering or have any merit, simply because I disagree with you. Aren't we supposed to be free-thinkers? As such, shouldn't we at least be open to the idea that other people might have different ideas and different views that are worth hearing? I don't want to go through life shutting out everyone who says something I disagree with.

Again, I'm sorry you were offended by my comment, but you haven't exactly helped your case by writing me off as someone to ignore based on one comment.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 12:05pm

Yes, booklover, It doesn't sound like you were unreasonable.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 11:56am

I think I sound selfish, and I am to some extent, but I'm just not emotionally up to talking to people that are so self-assured about their religious ideas.  The conversation plays over in my mind all night, disrupting what little sleep I get now days.  Sometimes it affects me for a week.

I do feel sadness and some empathy for those with religious ideas, and I'm glad some (mostly younger) people have the patience and fortitude to discuss things with them, giving them new thoughts that may someday bring them out of religion.  After all, I wish someone would have gotten through to me when I was young.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 10:46am

Well put Ruth.  He is doing well for 17, especially considering it took me 50 years to overcome my brainwashing.  Also, I would probably be a happier person if I could be more tolerant.

However, my personality is such that I quickly get annoyed with dumb.  I'm kind to everyone, but I have no desire to waste what few years I have left trying to reason with the unreasonable.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 19, 2012 at 10:04am

Atheism is diverse. There are lots of individual religious claims to challenge that were pounded into us (who grew up in them). Obviously he hasn't challenged the "you can't be good without god" meme yet. Deconversion can be an incremental process, and some atheists will continue to carry particular religious "teachings" as part of their world view to the grave. I think it's best to tolerate stepwise growth, and accept them as people who are atheist, instead of feeling "atheir than thou". Appreciate them for the mental freedom they have achieved instead of focusing on the annoying bits left undone.

It takes some of us 45 years to shake off supernatural entities. He's doing well for 17.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 9:37am

Perhaps I'm a little hard on teenagers, but after 71 years I'm so very tired of so many of them acting like they know it all.

Personally, I've never been nearly as egotistical as most people I've met, even when I was 17.  I was brainwashed to be sure that Mormonism was true, but still didn't argue with anyone about it.  I've always been a lover of science, and so couldn't understand why someone could be so sure of anything without lots of good evidence to support it (with the exception of Mormonism, of course).  Therefore, I have little patience with someone that claims to be an atheist, and still defends religion.  The religions I'm familiar with do accomplish good things, but In my opinion, the bad things they do far outweigh the good.

I don't know a lot about Asberger's sufferers, but I read that they have normal reasoning abilities, so I don't think his illogic deserves a pass because of his condition.

Comment by Sarah on July 19, 2012 at 8:57am

I have to say, I'm a little put off by the tenor of the comments toward this 17 yo. Is it somehow inherently egotistical to disagree with people, even people who are older and more experienced? And is it somehow against the Atheist handbook to pull back from thinking that religion is the greatest scourge on the planet? (I happen to think it's right up there, but I don't think that view is at all necessary for one to be an atheist.)

Didn't we all think we knew everything at 17? I know I personally had lots of opinions and relished the idea of getting to talk with adults in a more peer fashion, rather than being thought of merely as a kid. Perhaps this kid felt that you weren't giving his views any respect and so reacted more strongly and defensively. Honestly, if someone had come at me with the attitude that I was still just a silly child who would learn and should defer to the greater wisdom of an elder, I probably would have, too.

Not to mention if he has Asperger's, then we should all know that communication isn't his strong suit and should probably give him the benefit of the doubt.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 7:59am

booklover, I agree with everyone, that a 17 year-old has a lot to learn.   That one seems especially egotistical, and I also wouldn't want to talk to him anymore.

sk8eycat, thanks for the excellent quotes.

Steph S., Dr Morris is a little scary.


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