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Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by booklover on Monday. 75 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Poem - "Oh, Wait..."

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Luara Apr 11. 7 Replies

Before you ask, no, I didn't write this.  I discovered it in a comment on a Discovermagazine.com piece which…Continue

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Curious: Has anyone read the novel "Christian Nation"?

Started by Brent Feeney. Last reply by Plinius Apr 10. 11 Replies

So I've been thinking about this some lately, and I wanted to see what your thoughts were:I read a novel last fall that was making the rounds of Atheist blogs and what not called "Christian Nation", which is part alternative history and part…Continue

Stop the Religious Right. Four Steps You Can Take, Sean Faircloth.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9. 2 Replies

Thanks to Grinning Cat via Loren Miller led me to this additional video by Sean Faircloth. He provides positive and powerful examples of thinking and acting. Continue

Science, Atheism & the Joyful Life -- by Sean Faircloth, Richard Dawkins Foundation

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9. 6 Replies

Some speeches by atheists are factual and practical, dealing with the nuts and bolts of reality.  Some are diatribes against the superstitions we seek to overcome, pointing out the man behind the curtain and the fallacies and snake oil he tries to…Continue

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Bedtime Bible Stories (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 8. 0 Replies

Uh, oh!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, is at it again, THIS time with bedtime stories!  Somehow with her retelling of some of the classics, I'm dubious that her versions would go over with the Brothers Grimm or Hans Christian Anderson,…Continue

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 7:26am

G-Cat, thanks for the Logical Fallacy website.  I try to read about fallacies often so I can avoid making them in my arguments.  

It would also be a good thing if I could remember their names, but that's tough.

However, I'm always pleased to see that I recognize a lot of the fallacies and don't make them myself, even though I can't give them a name.

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:53am

In Ex-Adventists, Jen Phoenix shares an "awesome" website listing and explaining logical fallacies: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

It turns out arguments for belief in God are well represented in the examples! There's also a bad argument or two for nonbelief -- but we shouldn't forget the "fallacist's fallacy": an unsound argument might have a conclusion that's true for other reasons. An example would be figuring that 16/64 = 16/64 = 1/4.

The page on Appeal to Consequences has a revealing slip that made me smile:

Both of these arguments are fallacious because ... all they do is appeal to the consequences of belief in God.... Neither argument, though, provides any evidence for Santa's existence.

And some pure silliness that exemplifies the "post hoc" fallacy:

(1) Most people who are read the last rites die shortly afterwards.
Therefore:
(2) Priests are going around killing people with magic words!

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:07am

"Give peas a chance" -- I love it, Ruth!

Joan, I'm glad you read and appreciated my comment on humanistic Jewish views of the Sabbath. The idea of a day of rest for ordinary working people was a huge social reform!

Patricia, I saw an interview of Grumpy Cat (a.k.a. Tardar Sauce) and one of her humans. Yes, Grumpy Cat is a girl, and she's actually a very sweet and sociable kitty who was purring when the interviewer held her.

Thanks Melinda, Joan, and Ruth, I'm glad you like my visual response. Most things are better with cats! I'm lucky to have "inherited" a computer with Photoshop -- about half of which is over my head -- but you can do such things with many image editing programs, including the free "GIMP". I used the magic wand to "erase" the white dots, leaving them as transparent holes, then put the cat on a layer underneath.

(Photoshop geeks: I used a layer mask. Before using the magic wand, I'd tried selecting the dots all at once based on gray level, but that either got light bits of background or left jagged, aliased edges. If there were hundreds of dots I'd have worked out a more automatic method.)

Comment by Ian Mason on April 13, 2013 at 3:52am

Sorry to hear about Jerry, Felaine. I'm sure you'll be a great care giver for him.

I agree that it's a good thing to be science literate but I just can't manage it. Even if I do understand explanations I forget them again, sometimes within minutes. If numbers are involved then it's a waste of everyone's time. By the time the explanation's come to an end I've forgotten the beginning. Just let me revel in the arts and I'm happy.

Comment by Plinius on April 13, 2013 at 1:01am

Prednizone when it's cancer? A few years ago my vet told me that prednizone can also boost cancer growth. Thinking of you and Jerry, Sk8eycat!

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 13, 2013 at 12:14am

GrinningCat, that's great! Quite an improvement.

Sorry to hear about your cat Jerry, sk8eycat. We're with you. Spoil him. Great Big Bird. Finally relevant to today.

Thanks for the video, Joan. I like "If you're scientifically literate,the world looks very different to you." This is such a profound and pervasive difference. One which I routinely failed to communicate to my students, despite my best efforts. "Science is the poetry of reality." is nice too.

LOL, Steph. Grumplestilksin! Give peas a chance! Thanks for cheering up my bedtime.

Booklover, sorry to hear about Dale's brush phobia. Have you tried one of those gloves with little rubbery things?

Hugs to all.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 12, 2013 at 10:48pm
Grinning Cat, I like your comment, "Many humanistic Jews, while rejecting "god said so" or "the rabbis said so", find value in the Sabbath as a time to "rest" from trying to dominate and control the world and other people, and appreciate who and what we have. It also asserts that time off isn't just for the rich, and that our dignity is based on more than our jobs and paychecks."

Sounds good to me.
Comment by booklover on April 12, 2013 at 10:39pm
How did you do that Grinning Cat?! Lol. I like your picture MUCH better!!!!
Comment by Joan Denoo on April 12, 2013 at 10:13pm

Grinning Cat, That is a wonderful idea. You are so clever. 

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 12, 2013 at 9:18pm

I couldn't resist:

 

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