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Seth Andrews' Rebuttal to "10 Women Christian Men Shouldn't Marry" (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Thursday. 13 Replies

It seems as though some numb-nuts New York pastor by the name of Stephen Kim has written two marriage advice pieces for christian men and women.  Not surprisingly, his suggestions come straight out of his never-fail magic book.  Seth Andrews of The…Continue

Tags: advice, marriage, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Stephen Kim

Living in the Answers

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Patricia Jan 18. 13 Replies

I am weary of those who declare they understand all the answers to the creation of the universe and Earth. They claim they know the answers to the questions of life, meaning, death, and the afterlife. Those with all the answer speak with confidence,…Continue

Tags: confidence, education, government, family, afterlife

Twin terrorists caught

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Jan 11. 7 Replies

Canada: twin terrorists caught before going to Mideast Saturday, January 10, 2015 By Martin Barillas L-R: Carlos and Ashton Larmond The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrested and charged a pair of 24-year-old identical twin brothers on…Continue

Betty Bowers Best of 2014

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jan 4. 33 Replies

Happy New Year, everyone!  Now that we're off on another 365-day stint of sniping at believers, leave it to America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, to sum up the year past from her holier-than-EVERYBODY point of view! Have You had YOUR Betty today?!?Continue

Tags: 2014, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Christmas: Behind the Curtain (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by booklover Dec 28, 2014. 23 Replies

Well, it's that time of year again.  Time to gird our loins, put on our battle armor and join the (dah-dah DAAAAAH!) WAR AGAINST CHRISTMAS!!! [groan!] Yeah, most of us have heard that crap before, probably too many times, in fact, how atheists are…Continue

Tags: Christmas, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Dec 24, 2014. 11 Replies

Many of us have observed or learned how christianity shamelessly borrows from other sources to bolster its position and show off its supposed wonderfulness.  Well, Seth Andrews of The Thinking Atheist podcast has compiled some of the more modern-day…Continue

Tags: steal, borrow, copycat, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 19, 2014 at 1:19pm

Carl, may I caution you about owning your own place. First of all, I very desperately wanted my own home, and it was a wise decisions because I bought on a down cycle and paid only $12,000 for it. There are no such buys any more. The housing market took off into a Boom and then a Bust that created disasters for many thoughtful families. 

We are at the end of this Bust period and a new bubble is already forming in the housing market. Be really careful that you do not get caught in an overpriced piece of property. You lose all liquidity when you own property. It is difficult to sell, and you can't eat it when another crash occurs. 

Remember that capitalism is based on Boom and Bust reasoning. That  is why the old bromide, "buy low, sell high" applies to anything one does. 

The old man of the late 1800s early 1900s predicted capitalism will have a Boom and Bust cycle every 60 years. Well, he was off on his timing, but correct on his predictions. It is easy to track Booms and Busts, just Google it, and you will find all kinds of information to help you see what part of the cycle we are in. 

Nikolai Kondratiev was shot by firing squad on the orders of Stalin in 1938 because he predicted the fall of communism. He also predicted the fall of socialism and capitalism.

Kondratieff predicted that under capitalism one generation will survive, with great suffering, through the Bust cycle, and the next generation will be told the stories, the next generation after that may hear the stories and say it will never happen again. It is that generation that lives in the Boom part of the cycle and makes political and economic decisions that lead to another Bust. 

Financial crisis of 2007–08

Kondratieff Waves and the Greater Depression of 2013 - 2020

Kondratieff has been replaced by a whipper snapper, R.N. Elliott and popularized by Robert Prechter. This theory asserts that crowd behavior ebbs and flows in clear trends. Based on this ebb and flow, Elliott identified a certain structure to price movements in the financial markets. The article serves as a basic introduction to Elliott Wave Theory.

Elliott Wave Basics

From what I have been reading a new bubble is already forming in the real estate market. Who knows how high it will rise or how low it will fall. I just caution you to think twice about owning your own place. 

For me, it means replacing my furnace at $5,000. My roof also needs replacing. I have lived here for 40 years on July 1, and many of the things I did to improved it all those years ago need to be replaced. 

Whatever you do, it is a crap shoot. I just want you to be aware of the risks and weigh them against the benefits and your ability to live up to the commitment you sign when you purchase your own place.

My best wishes go with you.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 19, 2014 at 12:19pm

Carl, I am so happy to learn of your concern for your expected little boy into the family. In my experience, and you didn't ask, but you know me, I will have my say, whether wanted or not. 

Circumcision has become a cultural thing, far beyond religion. It is like so many things we do that have become part of what I call ABCTDs of life: Attitudes, Beliefs, Customs, Traditions, and Values. They become institutionalized in society completely forgetting it was a device to separate "us" from "them". It is not necessary and not recommended by enlightened doctors and professionals. 

Good for you for being concerned, and for having a library of films you can use as part of your reasoning. 

As usual, my approach is honesty, with concrete reasoning to support your decision. Some do not like my directness, but to be perfectly frank, I see no benefit in pussyfooting around important topics. 

I know you to be a gentle person, and will not overwhelm her with your power, but will use carefully thought out reasons for your point of view. You will do an outstanding job of walking with her through this very important time in her life.

 

Comment by booklover on March 19, 2014 at 10:26am

Thanks everyone.  Yes, my son has pain in his knees as well.  They are doing much more testing, so I'll let you know the results next week.

Learning to live frugally, but not miserly, has been a hobby of mine since I was a young mom.  I LOVED reading about how people do not need to have a huge income to have a nice life.  I know it depends on many different factors, including where you live.  I don't always do it, but I love having the knowledge.  It allowed me to stay home with my kids, and homeschool my son.  We never were in want of anything, and even went to NYC and Las Vegas, and paid cash.  Now I love to read about minimalist living.  I regularly take bags of things to Goodwill, and I don't even know how the stuff got into the house!  I don't like "stuff."  I only want to keep whats beautiful or meaningful to me, and stuff I use regularly.  It's very freeing.  Also, less cleaning!  One thing I collect though... CATS! ;)

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 19, 2014 at 9:50am

Ian is right

A little bit of pressure on a nerve can cause pain a long way away.

Pinched nerves in my spine make pain go all the way down my arm into my hand. Sometimes the lower extremity pain is the first  in a flare up. I get some control over the problem with daily neck stretching for 12 minutes.

My husband and I are debt free, too. We have a modest lifestyle so our social security and my pension meets our needs.

Comment by Plinius on March 19, 2014 at 2:45am

I'd love to say that, that I have very little debt, but it's not horrible either: half our apartment belongs to the bank.

How to open the discussion with your niece - quite a problem! "Live and let live", has the baby no rights? Perhaps you can start with info about the risks?

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 19, 2014 at 2:16am

I have very little debt at the moment, and that should be cleared up pretty soon.  However, I'd like to purchase a condo sometime later this year.  If I end up going through with that plan, I'll be taking on a huge financial responsibility for years to come.  I just really want a place to call my own, and now seems to be a good time to make real estate purchases.  And my job appears to be much more stable for the first time in quite a few years, so I feel confident in making this commitment.  I shall see.    

On an unrelated note, it was recently announced in my family that my niece here in Chicago, who is in her mid-twenties, is pregnant and will be having a son.  I now have to figure out an acceptable, but non-creepy, non-pushy, and tactful way to broach the subject with her about not having the baby circumcised.  I don't like to push my unsolicited views on her about such a personal topic, but I have a very strong opinion regarding keeping babies intact.  I'm pretty much a "live and let live" type of person, but I'd like to make sure she is educated on the subject.  She doesn't appear to be overly religious and I don't believe she as attended church regularly for any significant portion of her life.  We've never had any conversations about religion, so I'm not 100% sure about her spiritual views.  I've saved some YouTube videos over the years that are related to the topic of circumcision, so I have those ready to go as part of my arsenal.  Beyond that, I'm at a loss for a strategy to get the conversation started.      

Comment by Ian Mason on March 19, 2014 at 12:22am

Almost debt-free, Melinda. Congrats. I've found that situation to be a good one as there's more time and energy to take care of the important things in life, like people. Hope your son's problem is resolved soon.

Patricia, back problems can give pain almost anywhere because the nerves to the reat of the body pass through the spine. A little bit of pressure on a nerve can cause pain a long way away.

I'm off now. See you soon :-) Take care of yourselves.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 18, 2014 at 11:58pm

Mindy, Unsettling news about the difficulty diagnosing your son's knee problem. 

You are so very wise to have gotten rid of your debts so young. You will not realize how important that is until you get nearer retirement age and have to face the reality of current economic situations. Things are not going to get better any time soon. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 18, 2014 at 11:22pm

Melinda, in my inexpert medical opinion, I would guess that only having swelling is a better situation to be in than having a buildup of fluid.  Of course, I'm not a doctor.  I don't even play one on TV.  Just curious.  Is the swelling causing pain?  In any case, I hope your son gets answers and subsequent treatment soon.  And congratulations on your family's financial health.  You are a rare breed and you are to be commended.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 18, 2014 at 11:14pm

O, my nerves! How terrible!

That reminds me SO much of the time Gary Powers' KNBC news-chopper crashed here in the Valley.  He ran out of fuel because he spent too much time covering a fire up near Santa Barbara.  Ironic...he survived his U-2 being shot down in 1960,but not this:

According to Powers' son, an aviation mechanic had repaired a faulty fuel gauge without telling Powers, who misread it. At the last moment he noticed children playing in the area, and directed the helicopter elsewhere to prevent their deaths. If not for the last second deviation, which compromised his autorotative descent, he might have landed safely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Gary_Powers

He was sort of a neighbor for a year or two when I lived in a 4-story "party" apt. bldg.  He did NOT party with the rest of us...he stayed in his penthouse most of the time. That was 1965-66, he was still recovering from the trauma of the whole USSR business.

Anyway, whenever I hear of a helicopter crash I think of him.  He was a good local newsman after he came out of his shell.

 

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