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Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by booklover on Monday. 75 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Poem - "Oh, Wait..."

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Luara Apr 11. 7 Replies

Before you ask, no, I didn't write this.  I discovered it in a comment on a Discovermagazine.com piece which…Continue

Tags: poem

Curious: Has anyone read the novel "Christian Nation"?

Started by Brent Feeney. Last reply by Plinius Apr 10. 11 Replies

So I've been thinking about this some lately, and I wanted to see what your thoughts were:I read a novel last fall that was making the rounds of Atheist blogs and what not called "Christian Nation", which is part alternative history and part…Continue

Stop the Religious Right. Four Steps You Can Take, Sean Faircloth.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9. 2 Replies

Thanks to Grinning Cat via Loren Miller led me to this additional video by Sean Faircloth. He provides positive and powerful examples of thinking and acting. Continue

Science, Atheism & the Joyful Life -- by Sean Faircloth, Richard Dawkins Foundation

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9. 6 Replies

Some speeches by atheists are factual and practical, dealing with the nuts and bolts of reality.  Some are diatribes against the superstitions we seek to overcome, pointing out the man behind the curtain and the fallacies and snake oil he tries to…Continue

Tags: life, joy, Richard Dawkins Foundation, Sean Faircloth

Bedtime Bible Stories (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 8. 0 Replies

Uh, oh!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, is at it again, THIS time with bedtime stories!  Somehow with her retelling of some of the classics, I'm dubious that her versions would go over with the Brothers Grimm or Hans Christian Anderson,…Continue

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Comment by Loren Miller on May 30, 2013 at 6:27pm



For your enjoyment ... a couple of music legends share a song together ... and we're goin' to Graceland!

Comment by booklover on May 30, 2013 at 5:12pm

I was wondering the same thing Lillie!

Joan, you are the wonderful Matriarch of your wonderful Family!  They are all so fortunate to have you, and you are fortunate to have them!

Comment by Lillie on May 30, 2013 at 4:10pm

Love the cat scan.  Wonder how on earth they got the cat to stay there.  Mine would have rebelled.

Comment by Napoleon Bonaparte on May 30, 2013 at 3:05pm

Stop Atheist Nexus censorship of Art.

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Are you aware that 'Atheist Nexus' has recently removed material for your proper consideration deeming it unsuitable. In fact, there's nothing you can do about it because this apparent act of censorship relates to the agreement of membership and any remedy is in the law of contract and is not a civil rights issue. In other words the Guv has us stitched up.

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 30, 2013 at 1:44pm

Here I was feeling sorry for Philadelphians because there's a heat wave at the end of May. Then I learned that

Heat wave conditions have claimed the lives of over 500 people in India since April.

... 524 people have died of sunstroke since April 1.

... the state of Hyderabad’s 500 sunstroke deaths in just three days is the highest such death toll in recent history. New Delhi saw 43 degrees C (or over 109 degrees Fahrenheit) today, western states such as Gujarat saw highs between 116-118 degrees Fahrenheit, and the northern state of Uttar Pradesh hit 45 C (113 F). [emphasis mine]

Now the low 90s doesn't seem so bad.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 1:31pm

Mindy, "He also texts her to remind her to study and do her homework! If I did that she'd have a fit! :)"

I know what you mean. The know-it-all age is a tyrant that keeps cropping up with children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. I  got it recently from one of the youngest of our generations, and thought, "Oh here it comes again." Well, leave them to their devices and it doesn't take long before they run, not walk, back to get some information to get them out of some problem they create for themselves. Not an "I told you so" person, I think, "I told you so!"

Well, it happens so often, I guess it is normal. Realize normal does not mean healthy or functional, it means it happens a lot. We all just hope they don't do any permanent damage to themselves, others, or the next generation.  

Glad to learn she is getting help with math and who know, she may grow to love it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 1:24pm

Ruth, thank you so much for the information on Vitamin D. I do take a daily 1,000 IU and will include the dosage question with my cancer dietitian today. 

I recognize a lot of skepticism exists about scientific research, even as skeptics exist about whole and natural remedies and foods. Somewhere in there is true information. Sorting it all out presents a challenge. If there are research reports, based on double-blind studies by people who don't have an investment in the outcome, it is relatively easy to find truth in the fog. 

Monsanto is not a researcher worthy of reading, nor are the tobacco companies, or the pharmaceutical or the energy industry. I like to know where the conflicts exist and then go on the hunt. 

Thanks for the heads up. 

Cancer patients with high vitamin D levels live longer

"The patients were allocated to four groups, based on their vitamin D levels, ranging from high, medium-high, medium-low and low. When the researchers compared them, they found that the risk of dying from cancer was the highest for patients in the low-level group."

I'm upping my dosage unless given evidence that I should not. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 12:56pm

Part 2 
The problem with religion, it sends unhealthy life skills messages. You know the drill, "yield, submit, obey, seek out authority figures, there is one and only one way to think and be, live a role defined by gender, think in patriarchal terms of a hierarchy "god, man-male, female, children, and all creation is created for man to dominate. These massages are about as dysfunctional as I can even imagine. If you want to be healthy, refuse to listen to this nonsense. They are rubbish.

If you want to flourish, easy:
1. Recognize that you, an individual, exist through natural processes and you thrive best when you understand that. 
2. Know that you have work that must be done to sustain yourself. Even a robin has to get up in the morning and go looking for worms and has to supply worms to her babies. You are no different, you are responsible for you and you are part of the Net Of Life. 
3. Understand you are a social being; we need each other and flourish most beautifully when we have the support of our family and community. 
4. Count on your brain/mind to be your guide for moral and ethical development as well as learning the skills necessary to thrive in your environment. You do not have a guru who will rescue you or a prince charming coming over the hill, or a savior who will protect you or answer your prayers, or a boss who is healthy. In order to be healthy, you have to think for yourself, consult others who have your interests at heart, compare and contrast different options and make decisions about how to solve your particular problem. 
5. With a combination of thinking and acting you can create your own power, find your way through life and thrive. By combining awareness and respect for yourself, in a community with others, "I" becomes "we", and power multiplies. In fact, it multiplies exponentially. 

So, dear sweet heart, know the facts, know you live in an unusually healthy and functional family, challenge your boss with what is real, tell him how you feel when he speaks so disrespectfully to you, and tell him he needs to grow up. He is a man who has not developed beyond childish thinking. Organize your co-workers to confront him. Not only will you flourish, your co-workers will, and if the foolish man has any sense, he will know you tell the truth. He would benefit greatly by Landmark training. It is not magic or a cult. It is a place to learn life skills. That is all it is, all it ever was, and all it will ever be.

I love you dearly. Know you have a "Cloud of Witnesses" standing with you as you take on life's challenges.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 12:55pm

My granddaughter faces a difficult choice for her, a dysfunctional boss, unhealthy work environment and some who would stop her from developing her own power. Her mother and father, and family members all stand with her in support of her flourishing and  of the decisions she makes and I sent her this little message:


Now, as to "fierce", by some processes of nature, we are born, live and die. There are several ways to manage that life.
1. Seek out authority figures and follow them, including gurus. 
2. Seek out information from many sources, think about which have the highest probability of success in developing a functional life style. 
3. Pay attention to one's body and listen for messages, take action to bring about positive change. 
4. Use drugs, legal or illegal, to ease pain. 
5. Turn to religion to ease pain. 
6. Develop life skills and use them as tools. 
7. Attend and follow Landmark skills building classes. They are simply tools for living and flourishing. 
8. Whine. Beg. Plead. Give in. 

9. 

10. 

So, we observe there are many ways, healthy and unhealthy, to try to be successful and to ease the pain of living. 
Some work against health, some promote flourishing. 


Comment by booklover on May 30, 2013 at 12:05pm
Thanks for the info you shared with Joan, Ruth! Very good to know! Steph,I love the LOL cat. :)
 

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