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Betty Explains Religious Freedom (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randall Smith May 27. 9 Replies

Well, considering all the RFRA bills popping up all over the United States, plus all the fun and games ISIS is bringing to the good folks in Syria and Iraq, Betty Bowers, the epitome of well-dressed christianity, has decided to clarify the true…Continue

Tags: persecution, ISIS, Religious Freedom, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 6. 82 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Let's not define ourselves or others by our worst behaviors

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Dominique Lutz Apr 16. 6 Replies

My take on the recent melt down at Hang With Friends, of which I missed part, is that some of us were tripped up by a habit of thought. It's something we learn growing up, and use without realizing how much pain it can generate -  failing to…Continue

Tags: dispute at Hang With Friends

The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Mar 29. 3 Replies

The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling"the internet is a lifeline for people trapped in the most restrictive and stifling forms of…Continue

Tags: Warren Jeff, internet, FLDS

Ode to Yahweh (Non Stamp Collector & 43alley)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 24. 1 Reply

Ages ago (five or six years, I guess it is) when I first started recognizing my own atheism, one of the first atheist YouTubers I ran onto was Non Stamp Collector.  His handiwork wasn't up to Disney's standards, nor even Hanna-Barbera, but his wit…Continue

Tags: Yahweh, YouTube, 43alley, Non Stamp Collector

Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 15. 3 Replies

Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline"Populations of Eel-like lamprey have suddenly plummeted since the year 2000 in the Columbia Basin, surprising…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 19, 2014 at 10:27pm

Felaine, several of my friends very happily left their homes to move into seniors-only apartment buildings. They are difficult to get into, and one has to plan a couple years ahead. None of them regretted their decision to sell and move. Also, living in earthquake territory, as you so, I would surely not want to live any higher than ground floor. 

My cousin and his wife were in Northridge and in the dark of night their stairwell fell and when they scrambled, they fell through the hole in the floor. He is a big, husky, farm-raised man and he described his terror as he was falling after being shaken out of bed. 

Comment by sk8eycat on March 19, 2014 at 9:06pm

I'm looking for a seniors-only apartment building where they base the rent on your (measly) income.  Most of them around here are full, with waiting lists. 

PLUS, if/when I have to leave this house, I don't EVER want to be close enough to drive by and see what the new owners do to the property.  Like build a Big Box house, and rip out all the trees.  That does seem to have slowed down around here because the McMansions that were built on spec in the past 5 years aren't selling.  Or they do sell, but not for "enough."

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 19, 2014 at 1:19pm

Carl, may I caution you about owning your own place. First of all, I very desperately wanted my own home, and it was a wise decisions because I bought on a down cycle and paid only $12,000 for it. There are no such buys any more. The housing market took off into a Boom and then a Bust that created disasters for many thoughtful families. 

We are at the end of this Bust period and a new bubble is already forming in the housing market. Be really careful that you do not get caught in an overpriced piece of property. You lose all liquidity when you own property. It is difficult to sell, and you can't eat it when another crash occurs. 

Remember that capitalism is based on Boom and Bust reasoning. That  is why the old bromide, "buy low, sell high" applies to anything one does. 

The old man of the late 1800s early 1900s predicted capitalism will have a Boom and Bust cycle every 60 years. Well, he was off on his timing, but correct on his predictions. It is easy to track Booms and Busts, just Google it, and you will find all kinds of information to help you see what part of the cycle we are in. 

Nikolai Kondratiev was shot by firing squad on the orders of Stalin in 1938 because he predicted the fall of communism. He also predicted the fall of socialism and capitalism.

Kondratieff predicted that under capitalism one generation will survive, with great suffering, through the Bust cycle, and the next generation will be told the stories, the next generation after that may hear the stories and say it will never happen again. It is that generation that lives in the Boom part of the cycle and makes political and economic decisions that lead to another Bust. 

Financial crisis of 2007–08

Kondratieff Waves and the Greater Depression of 2013 - 2020

Kondratieff has been replaced by a whipper snapper, R.N. Elliott and popularized by Robert Prechter. This theory asserts that crowd behavior ebbs and flows in clear trends. Based on this ebb and flow, Elliott identified a certain structure to price movements in the financial markets. The article serves as a basic introduction to Elliott Wave Theory.

Elliott Wave Basics

From what I have been reading a new bubble is already forming in the real estate market. Who knows how high it will rise or how low it will fall. I just caution you to think twice about owning your own place. 

For me, it means replacing my furnace at $5,000. My roof also needs replacing. I have lived here for 40 years on July 1, and many of the things I did to improved it all those years ago need to be replaced. 

Whatever you do, it is a crap shoot. I just want you to be aware of the risks and weigh them against the benefits and your ability to live up to the commitment you sign when you purchase your own place.

My best wishes go with you.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 19, 2014 at 12:19pm

Carl, I am so happy to learn of your concern for your expected little boy into the family. In my experience, and you didn't ask, but you know me, I will have my say, whether wanted or not. 

Circumcision has become a cultural thing, far beyond religion. It is like so many things we do that have become part of what I call ABCTDs of life: Attitudes, Beliefs, Customs, Traditions, and Values. They become institutionalized in society completely forgetting it was a device to separate "us" from "them". It is not necessary and not recommended by enlightened doctors and professionals. 

Good for you for being concerned, and for having a library of films you can use as part of your reasoning. 

As usual, my approach is honesty, with concrete reasoning to support your decision. Some do not like my directness, but to be perfectly frank, I see no benefit in pussyfooting around important topics. 

I know you to be a gentle person, and will not overwhelm her with your power, but will use carefully thought out reasons for your point of view. You will do an outstanding job of walking with her through this very important time in her life.

 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 19, 2014 at 9:50am

Ian is right

A little bit of pressure on a nerve can cause pain a long way away.

Pinched nerves in my spine make pain go all the way down my arm into my hand. Sometimes the lower extremity pain is the first  in a flare up. I get some control over the problem with daily neck stretching for 12 minutes.

My husband and I are debt free, too. We have a modest lifestyle so our social security and my pension meets our needs.

Comment by Plinius on March 19, 2014 at 2:45am

I'd love to say that, that I have very little debt, but it's not horrible either: half our apartment belongs to the bank.

How to open the discussion with your niece - quite a problem! "Live and let live", has the baby no rights? Perhaps you can start with info about the risks?

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 19, 2014 at 2:16am

I have very little debt at the moment, and that should be cleared up pretty soon.  However, I'd like to purchase a condo sometime later this year.  If I end up going through with that plan, I'll be taking on a huge financial responsibility for years to come.  I just really want a place to call my own, and now seems to be a good time to make real estate purchases.  And my job appears to be much more stable for the first time in quite a few years, so I feel confident in making this commitment.  I shall see.    

On an unrelated note, it was recently announced in my family that my niece here in Chicago, who is in her mid-twenties, is pregnant and will be having a son.  I now have to figure out an acceptable, but non-creepy, non-pushy, and tactful way to broach the subject with her about not having the baby circumcised.  I don't like to push my unsolicited views on her about such a personal topic, but I have a very strong opinion regarding keeping babies intact.  I'm pretty much a "live and let live" type of person, but I'd like to make sure she is educated on the subject.  She doesn't appear to be overly religious and I don't believe she as attended church regularly for any significant portion of her life.  We've never had any conversations about religion, so I'm not 100% sure about her spiritual views.  I've saved some YouTube videos over the years that are related to the topic of circumcision, so I have those ready to go as part of my arsenal.  Beyond that, I'm at a loss for a strategy to get the conversation started.      

Comment by Ian Mason on March 19, 2014 at 12:22am

Almost debt-free, Melinda. Congrats. I've found that situation to be a good one as there's more time and energy to take care of the important things in life, like people. Hope your son's problem is resolved soon.

Patricia, back problems can give pain almost anywhere because the nerves to the reat of the body pass through the spine. A little bit of pressure on a nerve can cause pain a long way away.

I'm off now. See you soon :-) Take care of yourselves.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 18, 2014 at 11:58pm

Mindy, Unsettling news about the difficulty diagnosing your son's knee problem. 

You are so very wise to have gotten rid of your debts so young. You will not realize how important that is until you get nearer retirement age and have to face the reality of current economic situations. Things are not going to get better any time soon. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 18, 2014 at 11:22pm

Melinda, in my inexpert medical opinion, I would guess that only having swelling is a better situation to be in than having a buildup of fluid.  Of course, I'm not a doctor.  I don't even play one on TV.  Just curious.  Is the swelling causing pain?  In any case, I hope your son gets answers and subsequent treatment soon.  And congratulations on your family's financial health.  You are a rare breed and you are to be commended.

 

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