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Comment by Plinius on July 22, 2013 at 12:48am

The modern, western-style of over-consumption has not only become our normal standard of living but also an expected human right, any negative consequences be damned

But here, as in the USA, there are many people forced to rationing by poverty. They cannot use creditcards and they always are out of money before the month is over. But I don't expect outbreaks of anarchy - at most more 'proletarian shopping'. I think there will be more grassroots groups that work together and share - initiatives that help people and society.

I grew up in the 50s and I learned frugal living right from the start. For me it's not so difficult to economize when my income goes down, but for younger people...

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 9:21pm

Felaine, that Apple Soup sounds very delicious.  Thanks for chiming in.  I've been thinking about you and I hope you're well. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 21, 2013 at 9:17pm

While I do love the luxuries of modern life, by no means do I live an extravagant lifestyle.  Maybe it's because I'm not wealthy, but I also live a pretty frugal lifestyle.  I have no desire to keep up with the Joneses.  I recycle and I buy frugally.  When I do make "major" purchases, I tend to buy items that will last longer but may cost more.  It saves money overall.  This way I can enjoy the nicer things in life.  I also have a knack for making things last a long time by taking care of items properly.  I'm still using my Sony CD player and DBX stereo speakers that I bought in 1988!!  They were both rather expensive at the time and have served me very well.  I'm not one to constantly update just to have the latest gizmos. 

I do have items that I splurge on, mainly food and items for my hobbies.  I certainly love the pleasures of good food, and my hobbies give me a lot of personal satisfaction in my life.  If I were wealthy (mufti-millionaire wealthy) I really don't think I would be a "conspicuous consumption" type of person.  It's just not my style.  I do know that I would be very philanthropic with my fortune.  That is my style.    

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 9:04pm

Our group is well informed on the challenges facing USA and Earth  today and has taken steps to prepare for whatever happens, whether it is an economic collapse or a precipitous weather change.  If neither one occurs, then we have lost nothing. If these or other factors catch us off guard we are flexible and adaptive. 

There is no substitute for simple pleasures, and wonder only requires being aware of all the diversity around us. We have not had the scorching heat and humidity that so many experience; for that I am grateful. 

“Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants.”

~ Benjamin Franklin


 

Comment by sk8eycat on July 21, 2013 at 8:08pm

I don't want to interrupt, because this is a fascinating discussion (has anybody else noticed that the US economy started to slide when Nixon slashed NASA's budget ...while he was on the phone with Armstron & Aldrin!  We've never really recovered from that.)

Anyway, I've been playing  with fall recipes:

EVE WAS FRAMED APPLE SOUP
Recipe developed by The Serpent
  

2          Cups               Apple Juice or Cider

2          Large              Cooking Apples; peeled, cored, coarsely chopped

¼         Cup                 Raisins

2          Sticks             Cinnamon     

2                                  Whole Allspice  (optional)

2          Tbsp               Brown Sugar

1          Tbsp               GOOD Brandy (NOT  “cooking brandy”)

In large saucepan, combine apple juice, apples, raisins, cinnamon, and allspice.  Bring to slow boil; reduce heat, cover, and simmer 15 to 20 minutes until apples are tender. 

Stir in brown sugar and brandy and simmer, stirring occasionally, until sugar is completely dissolved.  Remove cinnamon and allspice and discard. 

Can be served warm or chilled with smoky ham slices, cheddar cheese, crackers, crusty bread, etc., on the side.  (Cheese biscuits?) 

For a different texture, after removing cinnamon and allspice, puree’ in blender.


 

Comment by Patricia on July 21, 2013 at 2:46pm

Melinda, I didn't have an outside job after getting married, so raised my own kids as well. I never saw the point of having kids & handing them over to others to raise & pay them to do it!

I learned to make very good bread, sewed & knitted a large percentage of our clothing, cooked from scratch, clipped coupons & always watched the sales.

We also have no mortgage & we most certainly were not deprived of the necessities. We'd treat ourselves occasionally, but that's the operative word.....occasionally, which kept things at treat status!

Vacations were camping out in the remote areas where we didn't have to pay fees. Of course our whole area here is very close to remote spots with beautiful lakes/rivers/mountains/forest, etc., so long distance driving wasn't an issue.

We were over 50 before we did any large vacations, like the cruises & the train tour, but truth to tell, I'm not much for travel so am happiest at home scootering around everywhere I want to go.

The home renos we did were done with my husband's inheritance money, & that's what he chose to do with it. We have a beautiful place now but it's most certainly not over the top luxury....that's just not us!

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:10pm

Patricia, I like you joining in the "Pissed Off crowd. We are becoming legion. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 21, 2013 at 2:04pm

Carl, I agree with your assessment and comparison with WWII limits on our consumption. Yes, we all have enjoyed these years of prosperity that grew from 1945 to 1975. The wage gap began to grow in 1975 and then grew exponentially until we are in the mess we are in now.
I think you are correct that people will resist voluntarily cutting back on consumption. The problem is, Earth cannot sustain our present consumption levels in the USA, and other countries are getting into positions to be able to afford increased consumption after all those low paying jobs went to Third World Counties where low pay was better than in the feudal days of their slavery or serfdom.  

There are problems at all levels of our society, economic, educational, health care, financial, political and religious. People don't want to give up privileges; others want to have access to opportunities. These conflicting values work against the kinds of changes we need to make. 

So, what is one to do? I don't have the power to change things that need to change; I do have the power to act and speak in ways that influence some, if not all. 

I get really annoyed when people tell me I am too negative. I think there are too many who are not negative enough. Being negative is only the beginning of problem solving. One has to acknowledge there is a problem before one can even imagine a preferred future. If one lives in denial or delusions, he and she become part of the problem.  

Therefore, 1. we need a time and place to be discerning, to name the problem, to describe events, to do some critical thinking;

2. then we need a time and place to imagine a preferred future, with no limits on the imagining, no criticizing, no setting of limits;

3. after that comes the time to be critical, what options have the highest probability of getting from where we are to where we want to be? what resources do we need? and lack? how are we going to develop a budget? who does what, when, where?

4. Develop an action plan and put the plan to work;

5. Evaluate outcomes asking are we reaching our goals? Do we need to do more or less of the same? or do something differently?  or do nothing? 

Underlying all these problems, in my opinion, is religion. Even those who do not believe one religion or another, many people fall into line of the religious leaders who call for preposterous rules and laws. Those who claim authority over others because of traditions only add fuel to the already smoldering fire. 

For me, Atheist Nexus and other groups that support secular thinking offer the times and places for discussion.  Life without god seems right to me. 

 

Comment by booklover on July 21, 2013 at 1:37pm

Me too Patricia!  Being frugal doesn't have to mean deprivation!  It's fun to be creative.  Being frugal allowed me to stay at home with my kids until they were grown-ups.  I still don't have a job outside the home due to medical issues, but I am going to get a part-time job this fall.  I don't have to work full-time because, since we have always been fairly frugal, our home was paid-for in-full 5 years ago.  We are both now 46.  Believe me, we have not been deprived of anything.  I think a lot of it is being SATISFIED. People don't appreciate what they have.  I do, however, need to work on not wanting as much food!!!!!!

Comment by Patricia on July 21, 2013 at 1:29pm

I watch some of the food shows (Guy Fieri), & the portion sizes in your restaurants absolutely astound me!!!!! All the blab about obesity just doesn't match up with the way your food is loaded onto the plates. We did 2 Alaskan cruises, & were seated with several Americans at our dinner table, & the amount of food they ate made me gag!!!! The greed & the 'I want it now, & all of it' attitudes just shock me. I'm quite frugal as well Melinda, & am always looking for ways to stretch the pension as far as possible, & it's almost become a game to me.

 

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