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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Discussion Forum

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 21. 81 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

Tags: surreal

Let's not define ourselves or others by our worst behaviors

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Dominique Lutz Apr 16. 6 Replies

My take on the recent melt down at Hang With Friends, of which I missed part, is that some of us were tripped up by a habit of thought. It's something we learn growing up, and use without realizing how much pain it can generate -  failing to…Continue

Tags: dispute at Hang With Friends

The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Mar 29. 3 Replies

The FLDS Cult Is Unraveling"the internet is a lifeline for people trapped in the most restrictive and stifling forms of…Continue

Tags: Warren Jeff, internet, FLDS

Ode to Yahweh (Non Stamp Collector & 43alley)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 24. 1 Reply

Ages ago (five or six years, I guess it is) when I first started recognizing my own atheism, one of the first atheist YouTubers I ran onto was Non Stamp Collector.  His handiwork wasn't up to Disney's standards, nor even Hanna-Barbera, but his wit…Continue

Tags: Yahweh, YouTube, 43alley, Non Stamp Collector

Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 15. 3 Replies

Oregon Field Guide - Lamprey Decline"Populations of Eel-like lamprey have suddenly plummeted since the year 2000 in the Columbia Basin, surprising…Continue

Richard Dawkins, Growing Up in the Universe

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 14. 2 Replies

Here is an oldie, the young Richard Dawkins teaching kids about the universe. I especially like the one demonstrating how the eye evolved. This should answer those who believe it was impossible to evolve an eye. Continue

Tags: universe, teaching, Dawkins, Richard

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 8, 2012 at 5:05pm

Spud, I am interested in your experience with family. You wrote, "I don't find any enjoyment in visiting them or having them visit me because we don't have much in common anymore and it's like walking on eggshells."

I kind of enjoy eggshells; having that feeling keeps me on my toes and my major problem, I can't remember chapter and verse to respond back, such as Hitchens, Harris, or Dawkins do. I have to rely on tone and temper of the subject to make my point, and I usually use stories to clarify my meaning.

I never initiate a conversation about religion. I make it a real effort to respond with an atheist response to whatever comes up. For example, "where do I get my morals?" that is an easy one because I truly believe we, most of us, unless with some kind of brain abnormality, we have a moral compass that grows out of being in a community of people. If the group has a different morality than I, I can usually find an example to suit my challenge. A good example of this is the pro-choice/anti-choice issue. It is easy for me to support my position because of evidence from medicine, science, personal and social welfare, and stuff like that. 

One thing I work on is not accepting their frame; an example, I don't accept pro-life as a frame. People who support women's right to choose also stand in favor of life. It is whose life is at issue and a woman counts in this matter. 

I usually leave these encounters feeling good about myself and good about my positions and the evidence I use to support them. If something comes up that I cannot offer evidence for an atheist position, I know I have some homework to do. It never fails, if someone thinks he/she has stumped me, that will be the first thing to come up the next time we are together. 

If I have any fault, it is feeling more enlightened than those whom I believe are delusional and living in denial. I guess it is a feeling of superiority, however, it is like talking to someone who believes the Earth is flat, and I have encountered them. I feel educated and reasonable, even as I feel fully capable of changing my position on anything if given valid and reliable evidence to support a change.

The test, for me, is Popper's old imperative, is it falsifiable?
Can I prove there is no god? No.

Can a believer prove there is a god? No

So, we are back to comparing evidence against belief and faith.  

Their usual response to this is, "You are a person of little faith." 

My response, "Give me the evidence in support of your belief and I will change my mind in the time it takes to blink."

Obviously, scripture, remembered stories, myths, fables, 2nd hand accounts do not qualify as evidence. Especially the "Thank god my son/ daughter/whoever, survived the crash/operation/disease?" 

Nary a mention of emergency care, doctors, medicines, technologies, good care, accurate diagnosis, etc. and good support staff. 

 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on December 8, 2012 at 4:49pm

Back home today from working and catching up on five pages of back-posts.  Unfortunately I managed to catch a cold while gone.  Ugh!!  I hope it doesn't last very long.

Sk8eycat, are you in the photo of the Nutcracker skaters?

I've never been on facebook or myspace.  It all seems too much like an invasion of my privacy.  Funny, though.  I feel comfortable on this site sharing my views and a certain degree of personal info.  Go figure.  Everyone on Atheist/Nexus seems (for the most part) to be more mature, rational and sincere, especially all of you here in Hang With Friends. 

Comment by Plinius on December 8, 2012 at 2:07pm

I made my own cookbook - mostly clippings - of meals that match my diet and are cheap, easy and healthy. It works very well.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 8, 2012 at 9:54am

Gravity cat made me laugh.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 8, 2012 at 12:05am

Napoleon, I remember that day all too well. Accuser, judge, jury, and executioner. Sound familiar? Are we seeing that in this country and in these conflict? Absolutely. 

Comment by sk8eycat on December 7, 2012 at 7:49pm

*sigh* I meant to say "Nativity-Nut" cracking.  I'm really  having problems typing and proofing.

Oh, WTF.  Here's another good seasonal greeting:

A new version of one of my faves.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 7, 2012 at 6:02pm

I just noticed that a photo I tried to post yesterday didn't "work," so I'm trying again

Happy Nut-Cracking Holidays to ALL!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 7, 2012 at 3:42pm

Melinda, you wrote, "I lost a friend a month or so ago from me posting Atheist things, but, good riddance then!  Sounds cold, but I can't care anymore."

I don't think that is a cold response at all. If you write honestly, from your thinking and feeling, then those who don't like it don't need to read it. 

My cousin is a very devout born-again wife of a Lutheran minister. At some point a year or so ago, I wrote on Facebook that faith and belief in god and expecting answers to prayers may feel good, but I perceived that kind of god as too small. That hit a painful nerve in her and she started a deeply felt description and discussion about her god not being small, but very loving.

We set the ground-rules that either of us had the right to block or un-friend the other. Neither one of us persuaded the other to change our positions. I think that is just fine. No problem for me at all. But I held my position that if she opposed women's right to control her body, or if she wanted Intelligent Design in public school science classes, I would fight her with everything I have. What she believes is none of my business ... until and unless in imposes on my values. 

Just keep in mind, Melinda, there are 7,083,782,270 human beings on this Earth and a Net population growth this year of 70,982,729. So, you and I won't run out of people to talk to and who want to share ideas without fighting. 

Time and space expand at an ever increasing rate, with many other possibilities of life, probably not carbon based, or with a very different evolutionary development. The exciting thing to me is the realization that the human mind is capable of developing understanding about the processes of nature, and the absolutely splendid opportunity we have to participate in its development.

Thankfully, the Dark Ages and their associated beliefs fade into history as we gain knowledge, understanding and the most important thing to me is the realization that we are all on this tiny little planet, racing through space and there is no need to fight over boundary lines of nations, or killing others who disagree about god/no god. We are part of a web and we have the ability to solve problems, resolve conflict, and create a compassionate and caring civilization. Rejoice!

 

Comment by Future on December 7, 2012 at 2:23pm

I thought this was funny.  Never seen it before.

Comment by Chris Dodds on December 7, 2012 at 1:39pm

Whether you're a believer or a nonbeliever, there's something about the holiday season that just brings out the best in most people and I heard such a story this morning on the radio.

A Minnesota mother ordered an iPad for her son from Best Buy's website.  Best Buy messed up the order and sent her five iPads while only charging her for one.  Feeling honest, the mother contacted Best Buy to inform them of the error and return the four extra iPads.  Best Buy's executives were so touched by her honesty that they told her to keep the four extra iPads at no charge to her and give them to those less fortunate.

The only downside to this story is that now the son knows what he's getting from his mother for Christmas

 

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