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Comment by Jason Fleming on April 5, 2012 at 9:06pm

You're right, they aren't secular and are probably rooted in paganism. But its OK to pretend.  The difference is acknowledging those things are fantasy and not reality.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 5, 2012 at 9:00pm

Natalie, if you're the odd one out, then you have company because I'm there with you.  I'm also quite aware of the religious/spiritual background for many of holiday customs which are now labeled as "secular."  Of course this history is rarely if ever explained to children (or even adults!)  That's information that I took upon myself to learn as an adult.  Unfortunately most people don't bother to trouble themselves.  That's why I always find it rather funny when religious people complain about the "secular" aspects of religious holidays.  They just haven't a clue! 

Comment by booklover on April 5, 2012 at 8:49pm

You are right Natalie!  I don't really consider them to be anything other than just an excuse to eat some good food, give people I love presents, and get-together.  I never taught my kids it was anything other than fun-stuff in life.  They are now 20 and almost 18, and they're both Atheists.  You are right about those holidays though!  They are pagan and not secular. We also have fun on all the secular holidays.  We just make them all secular and ignore what anyone else thinks they mean.

Comment by Natalie A Sera on April 5, 2012 at 8:24pm

And to add an afterthought -- holidays like the 4th of July, Earth Day and memorials of events seem to me to be more secular than the observances of Christmas and Easter. I'm perfectly happy to observe those, because there truly is no pagan or other spiritual history behind them.

Comment by Natalie A Sera on April 5, 2012 at 8:21pm

I know that I'm the odd one out, but I don't consider those customs to be secular. To me, they're pagan, and the pagan belief in spirits is just as unacceptable to me as the monotheistic religions' belief in god. If you don't acknowledge the spirit-based beliefs in these customs, you might as well go to church, because you don't HAVE to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus either -- communion is just a cracker and some wine, isn't it?

Comment by booklover on April 5, 2012 at 8:13pm

Paula, when I was a kid that was ALL we celebrated:  Santa, the Easter Bunny, etc.  we had FUN! :)

Comment by Paula T. on April 5, 2012 at 7:55pm
Catholics and Christians in general are oblivious to the origins of their beloved holy days. The origins are not taught...that would cause people to think and doubt. Easter eggs, candy filled baskets, the Easter Bunny...they have been around for YEARS, just like Christmas trees, Santa, festively wrapped gifts, fancy baked goods. I don't remember learning about those aspects of "holy days" while I was in school. Don't people realize that the holidays they celebrate ARE, in fact, secular?? If they want the old-time holy days, let them get rid of all the non-religious aspects. They can attend mass, pray all day, and ask gawd to watch over them.....

It is scary to think that parents are teaching their children that innocent, fun parts of holidays are bad. Let kids be kids.
Comment by Tony Carroll on April 5, 2012 at 4:07pm

Okay. I understand no more Astin-Martin. Also, no more Walther PPK. But I just heard some really sacrilegious news. In the new movie, "Skyfall", that our favorite spy, Mr. James Bond, will be drinking BEER! No martini, shaken, not stirred. Oh the horror. Product placement, I cast thee into the pit of eternal damnation. My childhood, irrevocably dashed. My hero, the coolest man on the screen (when I was a pubescent lad) thrown under the bus. Alas, poor Bond, I knew him well.

Comment by booklover on April 5, 2012 at 3:16pm

sk8eycat, they don't understand because they've probably never researched it, and even if they did, their bible says 'god' wrote this so it HAS to be true and original!

Comment by sk8eycat on April 5, 2012 at 3:10pm

I do understand, really. 

I was LOL-ing that the fundies think that the older pagan spring religious fertility symbols are "secular."  It's similar to the FAUX "news" claims that we've declared "war on xmas" when it was the Roman church that hijacked the solstice holidays (and Mithras'  birthday) for the birthday of their mythical human sacrifice.

They just don't understand that their seasonal holidays and symbols  (and even some saints) were all lifted from older religions.

 

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