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Descartes' OTHER Job

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Luara yesterday. 4 Replies

Trying to keep your head above water financially as a philosopher must have been hard for Rene Descartes.  Got to make ends meet SOMEHOW, so...!Continue

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The Party of Lincoln Goes South (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Wednesday. 1 Reply

And so they have, in a big way, since Lincoln did his thing 150 years ago.  This business hasn't escaped the attention of American's Best Christian, either, and Ms. Bowers has no problem in holding forth with observations of her own about this…Continue

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Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by booklover Apr 14. 75 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Poem - "Oh, Wait..."

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Luara Apr 11. 7 Replies

Before you ask, no, I didn't write this.  I discovered it in a comment on a Discovermagazine.com piece which…Continue

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Curious: Has anyone read the novel "Christian Nation"?

Started by Brent Feeney. Last reply by Plinius Apr 10. 11 Replies

So I've been thinking about this some lately, and I wanted to see what your thoughts were:I read a novel last fall that was making the rounds of Atheist blogs and what not called "Christian Nation", which is part alternative history and part…Continue

Stop the Religious Right. Four Steps You Can Take, Sean Faircloth.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Apr 9. 2 Replies

Thanks to Grinning Cat via Loren Miller led me to this additional video by Sean Faircloth. He provides positive and powerful examples of thinking and acting. Continue

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 5, 2012 at 9:44pm

BTW, after Halloween, my favorite holiday is Thanksgiving.  I think it's a great day, and religion plays no part in it for me.  I love the idea of an overly-bountiful and delicious meal to celebrate all that I have.  I have a wonderful family, great friends and a place to live that has a four walls, a roof, running water, heat, electricity and moderate creature comforts.  That's much more than what many other people have in this world and I'm grateful that I've been lucky enough to have those things.  For me Thanksgiving is both humbling and celebratory.  I also like Thanksgiving because it's a non gift-giving holiday.  The focus is on the true nature of the celebration.  

Comment by Paula T. on April 5, 2012 at 9:29pm
I stand corrected, the origins are pagan or began with other religions. I suppose secular is the buzz word lately and I am aware of the origins, it's just that I'm still working at getting over my anger regarding religion and finding more information about the various holidays we celebrate. Going to Catholic school meant I was sheltered from anything that didn't agree with Catholicism/Christianity and wasn't even aware of Judaism until I was close to being a teenager. I couldn't figure out why Jewish people didn't believe that Jesus was the son of gawd! I had no idea there are thousands of different sects of many, many religions.

I typed religiloons before correcting myself. Not sure if I've heard it or seen it before, but kinda like the sound of it!
Comment by Jason Fleming on April 5, 2012 at 9:06pm

You're right, they aren't secular and are probably rooted in paganism. But its OK to pretend.  The difference is acknowledging those things are fantasy and not reality.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 5, 2012 at 9:00pm

Natalie, if you're the odd one out, then you have company because I'm there with you.  I'm also quite aware of the religious/spiritual background for many of holiday customs which are now labeled as "secular."  Of course this history is rarely if ever explained to children (or even adults!)  That's information that I took upon myself to learn as an adult.  Unfortunately most people don't bother to trouble themselves.  That's why I always find it rather funny when religious people complain about the "secular" aspects of religious holidays.  They just haven't a clue! 

Comment by booklover on April 5, 2012 at 8:49pm

You are right Natalie!  I don't really consider them to be anything other than just an excuse to eat some good food, give people I love presents, and get-together.  I never taught my kids it was anything other than fun-stuff in life.  They are now 20 and almost 18, and they're both Atheists.  You are right about those holidays though!  They are pagan and not secular. We also have fun on all the secular holidays.  We just make them all secular and ignore what anyone else thinks they mean.

Comment by Natalie A Sera on April 5, 2012 at 8:24pm

And to add an afterthought -- holidays like the 4th of July, Earth Day and memorials of events seem to me to be more secular than the observances of Christmas and Easter. I'm perfectly happy to observe those, because there truly is no pagan or other spiritual history behind them.

Comment by Natalie A Sera on April 5, 2012 at 8:21pm

I know that I'm the odd one out, but I don't consider those customs to be secular. To me, they're pagan, and the pagan belief in spirits is just as unacceptable to me as the monotheistic religions' belief in god. If you don't acknowledge the spirit-based beliefs in these customs, you might as well go to church, because you don't HAVE to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus either -- communion is just a cracker and some wine, isn't it?

Comment by booklover on April 5, 2012 at 8:13pm

Paula, when I was a kid that was ALL we celebrated:  Santa, the Easter Bunny, etc.  we had FUN! :)

Comment by Paula T. on April 5, 2012 at 7:55pm
Catholics and Christians in general are oblivious to the origins of their beloved holy days. The origins are not taught...that would cause people to think and doubt. Easter eggs, candy filled baskets, the Easter Bunny...they have been around for YEARS, just like Christmas trees, Santa, festively wrapped gifts, fancy baked goods. I don't remember learning about those aspects of "holy days" while I was in school. Don't people realize that the holidays they celebrate ARE, in fact, secular?? If they want the old-time holy days, let them get rid of all the non-religious aspects. They can attend mass, pray all day, and ask gawd to watch over them.....

It is scary to think that parents are teaching their children that innocent, fun parts of holidays are bad. Let kids be kids.
Comment by Tony Carroll on April 5, 2012 at 4:07pm

Okay. I understand no more Astin-Martin. Also, no more Walther PPK. But I just heard some really sacrilegious news. In the new movie, "Skyfall", that our favorite spy, Mr. James Bond, will be drinking BEER! No martini, shaken, not stirred. Oh the horror. Product placement, I cast thee into the pit of eternal damnation. My childhood, irrevocably dashed. My hero, the coolest man on the screen (when I was a pubescent lad) thrown under the bus. Alas, poor Bond, I knew him well.

 

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