I find the mix strange, but found the article interesting.

 

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2011/11/ayn_rand_...

 

I'm personally a fan of Rand's work, as entertaining novels and interesting concepts, not as practically applied philosophy or lifestyle. What do you think?

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The Wiki says this about Yoga:

 

Yoga (Sanskrit, Pāli: योग yóga) is a physical, mental, and spiritual discipline, originating in ancient India.[1][2] The goal of yoga, or of the person practicing yoga, is the attainment of a state of perfect spiritual insight and tranquility.[3] The word is associated with meditative practices in Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, and Sikhism.[4][5][6]

Within Hindu philosophy, the word yoga is used to refer to one of the six orthodox (āstika) schools of Hindu philosophy.[7][8] Yoga in this sense is based on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, and is also known as Rāja Yoga to distinguish it from later schools.[9] Patanjali's system is discussed and elaborated upon in many classical Hindu texts, and has also been influential in Buddhism and Jainism. The Bhagavad Gita introduces distinctions such as Jnana Yoga ("yoga based on knowledge") vs. Karma Yoga ("yoga based on action").

Other systems of philosophy introduced in Hinduism during the medieval period are bhakti yoga, and hatha yoga.[10][11][12]

The Sanskrit word yoga has the literal meaning of "yoke", from a root yuj meaning to join, to unite, or to attach. As a term for a system of abstract meditation or mental abstraction it was introduced by Patañjali in the 2nd century BC. Someone who practices yoga or follows the yoga philosophy with a high level of commitment is called a yogi or yogini.[13]

The goals of yoga are varied and range from improving health to achieving moksha.[14] Within the Hindu monist schools of Advaita Vedanta, Shaivism and Jainism, the goal of yoga takes the form of moksha, which is liberation from all worldly suffering and the cycle of birth and death (samsara), at which point there is a realization of identity with the Supreme Brahman. In the Mahabharata, the goal of yoga is variously described as entering the world of Brahma, as Brahman, or as perceiving the Brahman or Ātman that pervades all things.[15] For the bhakti schools of Vaishnavism, bhakti or service to Svayam Bhagavan itself may be the ultimate goal of the yoga process, where the goal is to enjoy an eternal relationship with Vishnu.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga

I've never heard of it associated with Rand. I don't do yoga myself -- maybe someone who does Yoga could answer you.

Clarence, your claim that "Government enforced health care is just a poster child of fascism." makes no sense to me. Universal healthcare as I understand it, and which is very far from what we'd have, doesn't "enforce" healthcare excepting in cases where neglecting to get medical care for your child would be potentially lethal. Otherwise, it's just government pays when you choose to seek medical care. I never heard that fascist states forced their citizens to receive health care, either. Perhaps you could supply some historical references for that.

Fluoridation of water in Nazi Germany. Some of the Nazi citizens endured forced fluoridation, like we have here in America. Unlike myself, the child in your posting hasn't reached the age of knowing consent (to be fluoridated). How many babies were mutated before Thalidomide was pulled off the market? How many reasons would that comprise?

OK, I amend that to include forcible quarantine of people infected with serious communicable diseases. But I don't think that's the government enforced healthcare to which you're objecting.

Interesting you should mention Ayan Rand and self absorption. I was impressed today by Naomi Klein's Capitalism vs The Climate.

When powerful ideologies are challenged by hard evidence from the real world, they rarely die off completely. Rather, they become cultlike and marginal. ... We have these types on the Stalinist left, and they exist as well on the neo-Nazi right. By this point in history, free-market fundamentalists should be exiled to a similarly marginal status, left to fondle their copies of Free to Choose and Atlas Shrugged in obscurity. ... They are saved from this fate  only because their ideas about minimal government, no matter how demonstrably at war with reality, remain so profitable to the world's billionaires...

Naomi Klein sums up that a viable alternative to the grim future guaranteed by climate denial requires

... an alternative worldview to rival the one at the heart of the ecological crisis - this time, embedded in interdependence rather than hyper-individualism, reciprocity rather than dominance and cooperation rather than hierarchy.

 

What makes me sad, with all of Klein's marvelous insight,  this article is insightful, is that she's apparently never heard of Riane Eisler's work on Partnership culture.

It's not completely astonishing that a marketer of high end self-improvement apparel should be pushing the hyper-individualist free market meme. Next we'll see Ayan Rand embossed logos on Rolls leather seating, and $5,000 designer handbags.

Those are the best quotes I've seen in a long time.

Ruth, not only was Ayn Rand not an endorser of a particular political party, she did not have to do commercials or endorse products for income beyond her what her own creative output provided. To deride such achievement as pandering to the rich is a gross misrepresentation of Objectivist Epistemology. There is a book on the subject by that name if your interested.

I don't disrespect her professional writing career, Clarence. Using her work to justify further enriching the 1% at the expense of Earth and everyone else is what I disrespect.

Ruth; Anthropomorphic sentiments for the Earth on top of equating rational self interest with greed is not promoted by the writings of Ayn Rand. The idea is not to rip off the able. There are provisions in the constitution for apportionment with regards to taxation.
A bad bunch of citizens who are elected representatives have decided to grow government beyond any rational bounds and the only way to accomplish that is by promoting slavery to Big Governments. But wait, we'll fool everybody by calling it "fair taxation".
How about closing 700 foreign American Military bases and bringing the troops home. How much would that save?

Clarence, I have no sympathy for your argument that the US government is being or has been grown beyond rational grounds. When I read details of the regulations business interests reject, like blocking ergonomic tools that would save the limbs of workers, and what they demand, like food safety inspection speeds so fast no human could spot the spoiled meat whizzing past, I want to puke. Whenever profit competes with worker safety or consumer safety, no matter how small the profit or how large the collective health toll, profit ALWAYS wins when safety and consumer protection laws and regulations to enforce them are "updated". The US government sides with business, and has been doing so for at least a decade.

I don't know what kind of slavery to Big Government you imagine in the US. The Chamber of Commerce seems to think business giving up a bit of profit in the interest of common good means "slavery". Why should you, a citizen who buys meat you can't really trust in your supermarket, agree? Look at the actual changes in taxation. It's far from fair. Hedge Fund Managers pay less federal income tax than their secretaries. I think you're the one who is being fooled. Use the internet to find the actual figures. Don't trust right wing summaries, which distort the facts.

As for foreign military bases, I think all military, everywhere, is a colossal drain on precious resources. Could we work out a system to manage conflicts of interest without killing each other, we'd go a long way toward a liveable world. I've just started reading Chris Hedges War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning. So far, I'm very impressed with his insights into the psychological appeal of war. If citizens understood these dangers at the gut level, a strong case could be made for dismantling those bases.

Gerald Celete also says "Wall street has hijacked Washington" with it's revolving door employment of ex-Goldman Sachs employees populating regulatory government positions only to more effectively funnel monies out of this economy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evquaoWOubY&sns=em
Actually Ruth, it is The deceased Professor of Asian Studies Dr. Chalmers Johnson who put forth the ideas hilighting the imminent collapse of the costly American Military Empire and it is therefore his argument you have no sympathy for.

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