I have been severely sleep deprived for a number of years, & cancer treatment didn't help it at all when I had to deal with that.

I have now been ''officially'' diagnosed but have bad reactions to prescription meds & don't know what else to try. So far I do the same routine rituals, bath, cool quiet room, ''sleep music'', hot milk, hot milk with brandy, chamomile tea, herbal valerian, melatonin, etc.

The dr. says I need a minimum of 6-8 hours straight solid sleep per 24 hours, but the most I can ever get is 2-4 of restless non-refreshing sleep, which after 10+ years is definitely not enough. Fibromyalgia contributes to the non-refreshing part.

Has anyone ever successfully solved this issue?


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Sounds serious, Patricia. But I have no idea what might help. Are you sure your sleep breathing is OK. My husband has problems for years, which were solved by a C-Pap. Sleep apnea isn't always realized by the sleeper herself.

It's not sleep apnea or anything like that. I am a long-time night person so I'd go to bed at 2 or 3 a.m. & sleep deeply for a good 7-9 hours or so.

About 15 years ago I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia which gave me the non-refreshing sleep, among the many other symptoms, although I still slept. After the cancer thing, the 5 years of Femara had all sorts of lovely side-effects including just plain staying awake no matter how tired I felt.

I have been off Femara now since Jan. 2011 so had hoped my sleep thing would settle down some. Instead it has gotten worse, & nothing will help so far. I'm feeling sick & impaired all the time now & just can't function well in many ways. My dr. insisted it was my ears, had two different tests done, two, ct scans, & two lots of bloodwork. He has moved on now & I am initiating the new dr. who immediately said it was sleep deprivation, prescribed another sleeping pill which makes me feel poisoned. I knew it was a sleep thing & not my ears, but I can't seem to get through that a lot of meds don't agree with me.

I'm ready to pull my hair out or ask my husband to let me have it with a sledge hammer!   

Thanks for the clarification. The only suggestion I have is to deal with the inflammation part, and see if that improves your sleep.

I have pinched nerve and arthritis pains. I decided to try an anti-inflammatory diet. Quantitative data on inflammation of various foods was very helpful, especially at SelfNutritionData. After three days I experienced a remarkable reduction in pain, and I've never gone back to eating pro-inflammatory food. I'd suggest you try such a diet for four days, to see if it helps any. It can't hurt you.

You have to give up egg yolk, dairy food that's higher than 1% fat, red meat, much commercial baked goods made with inflammatory oils, margerine, mayonnaise, etc. I learned to spread extra virgin olive oil on my toast. I limit myself to three squares of chocolate a day. The only oil I use is good quality olive oil. It's a fascinating adventure, discovering which foods you've been eating all along make you feel worse than you need to feel. I learned that the farmed salmon I'd been eating for years was very pro-inflammatory and that wild salmon is super anti-inflammatory.

I felt as if I'd become two years younger.

I seldom eat dairy, & meats, (not a fan of either), no commercial baked goods as I make my own high fiber bread with no white flour or sugar in it. If I eat chocolate at all, it's dark Belgian or Italian, & very, very seldom at that. I never eat salmon as my stomach won't handle it. I don't eat prepared foods, snacks, sweets, or junk food. My main diet is fresh fruit, vegetables, poultry, white fish, seafood, & my bread. I drink green or white tea, coffee, & water. No soda pop, juices, or boxed cereals. My stomach dictates my food so I don't deviate much.

It sounds as if you're already fairly low-inflammation, Patricia. My only questions about possible pro-inflammation diet then would be, do you eat margarine or butter or mayonnaise? I'd recommend brushing bread with extra virgin olive oil instead of either margarine or butter, and avoiding mayo entirely.

Here's a new study about inflammation and staying healthy as we age.

Controlling Triggers of Age-Related Inflammation Could Extend 'Heal...

While it doesn't address diet, it does show that inflammation control is important for staying healthy as we age.

Inflammation is the common denominator of many chronic age-related diseases ... even in the absence of a disease, inflammation can lead to serious loss of function throughout the body, reducing healthspan -- that portion of our lives spent relatively free of serious illness and disability.

I never heard of someone having stomach trouble from wild salmon. I thought it was fairly bland and benign. What happens when you eat it?

Your diet sounds similar to mine, excepting that I'm limited in the veggies and cereal I can eat due to carbohydrates.

I eat mayo MAYBE once a year, small portions of margarine/butter occasionally, but olive or canola oil is used for meals, if anything at all. I don't like the fatty type foods in my mouth & would rather eat most foods plain, with maybe a few herbs.

As for salmon.....it's too rich for me & I bloat up like the dirigible for hours after eating, & it's miserable trying to burp it all away. Digestion seems to take forever as well. I react the same way to whipping cream, garlic, beef, & any sort of rich sauces. No thanks.

When I had gastric problems with chemo, the nutritionist advised I eat no seeds and use sour dough bread instead. No white breads, or wheat breads, except sour dough. 

I make my own bread of course, but I do like sour dough....maybe I should try making that for a change...

Will be reading though that link Ruth, thanks.

Patricia, I am so sorry to learn of your worsening sleep situation. Sorry I have nothing to offer. Telling you I am thinking of you does absolutely no good ... kind of like "I'll pray for you." 

My son, Craig, has a hard time sleeping, I will ask him if he has any ideas. He was a light sleeper from the moment of his birth and suffered because of it. Especially being a twin and sleeping in the same crib for some months until we solved that problem. Now he is a husband and dad of two lively boys and their night sounds keep him awake. Poor guy! 

Well, that bit of information is of no help either. So, Patricia, I am thinking of you and wishing you well. 

I used to sleep so heavily not much would wake me until I was ready.....I miss those days!

I just don`t want to have to keep trying to find some damn drug to shove into myself because the side effects are terrible for me in most cases, & if not, they don`t work anyway.

I have now got a line on some sleep headphones & cd`s that work with the Theta-Delta brain waves to listen to in bed. Just waiting for pension day to order......

The cd`s have guarantees or money back after 90 days.....worth trying in my estimation.....

Not me.  I feel for you though. Like you I don't fall asleep until the early morning hours. Going to bed earlier only succedes in my lying awake irritated that I'm not asleep. I've found my sleep patterns change with the seasons.  I sleep very poorly in spring when the daylight hours start coming earlier as the days lenghten.  And don't sleep really well until fall comes back around, the days shorten and the temps cool down. Ruth may be right.  I know several people who need the c-pacp.





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