Godless of Hawaii

Any who respect critical thinking, empirical evidence, and the scientific method are welcome to join for some informal meetings at local bars, restaurants, beaches, etc.

Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
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Latest Activity: Jun 18

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National Atheist Party wants you!

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Comment by rebturtle on September 28, 2009 at 9:31pm
It was a wash. The one that had originally RSVPed "Yes" changed to no the day before. I went and hung out for about an hour just in case. That's alright though. I knew it was short notice with hardly any members and in retrospect people new to Atheism might not want to meet initially in such a public place. It was a bummer, but I wasn't put off by it.
Comment by Adrian Ramirez on September 28, 2009 at 8:19pm
How's it. Did you guys meet up in kailua on sun? How did it go? sorry i couldnt make it. ...hoping to catch the next one.
Comment by rebturtle on September 20, 2009 at 6:08am
Cool. I'm glad you're happy. I know you've been trying to get this thing going for a while, and I didn't want to step on your toes, so to speak. I was trying to get a hold of you last night, but the website was down, and the messages from here don't reveal user email addresses. I'll be happy to post up meetings wherever and whenever you guys like. I need to get more familiar w/ the site and of course our needs and goals. Feel free to PM me or contact me through my site
Comment by Calvin on September 19, 2009 at 10:56pm
RebTurtle, you are the man, thanks for starting up the meet up group. I got to tell ya, as a person who tried to coordinate some get-togethers, this meet up group will hopefully make it easier to coordinate things.

The first meet up is 27 Sep at 2:00 pm at Kailua Beach Park. Oahu guys, please check out this meet up group. I wish I could be there, but I’m still on the vampire schedule.

I’m going to try to coordinate one for October, but I’m still working out the details.

With this AN group and this meet up group, it looks like the beginning of a great social network for the Non-theist community here in Hawaii.
Comment by rebturtle on September 19, 2009 at 8:44pm
Whoops, wrong page:
Comment by rebturtle on September 19, 2009 at 8:43pm
I know Calvin had mentioned getting a group started. I managed to score a 50% discount coupon, so I jumped the gun last night and started one. I have no interest in taking charge, per se, it was just a good deal and got the ball rolling. There are at least 11 other people interested in Atheism just in Kailua alone, and I'm hoping to cross-link with this group. Anyways, here's the link:

I look forward to input, suggestions, and any help I can get!
Comment by Armen Martirosyan on September 16, 2009 at 4:38pm
No problem Kaimana. Feel free to use it as it pleases. I appreciate the kind words though. Next time I'm in Hilo, I'll be sure to leave some time to meet up with fellow atheists. After all, I can't spend all my time in VNP, and Mauna Kea.
Comment by Kaimana on September 14, 2009 at 5:20pm
Well, I've started an official Secular Student Alliance at University of Hawaii at Hilo (which, for now, contains me). If you guys know anyone going to UHH who would be interested in joining you should give them the email that forwards to me:

or tell them to search for the facebook group (University of Hawaii at Hilo Secular Student Alliance).

Also, Armen, can I steal some or all of what you just wrote for use in everyday life? I've never seen exactly how I feel put so succinctly and eloquently. I mean, those 4 paragraphs were really pretty much perfect.
Comment by Armen Martirosyan on September 11, 2009 at 8:48pm
My two cents, for what it's worth is that Naturalist, humanist, atheist are all worthy labels. I don't shy away from the atheist label, because at least within ourselves, we know not to define ourselves beyond just a lack of belief in superstitious notions. In theory, even the most religious are basically a few steps away from atheism, because it's not like they embrace every mystical concept. To them, they hold fast to only their indoctrinated belief structure, disregarding all the other belief structures and deeming them illogical. We know better than to have that kind of compartmentalized mentality, and we figure, if you're going to throw off the cloak of superstition, might as well completely discard it.

If I were to choose a label, I would choose realist. I like to appreciate the natural world through the tools of science, as well as for the aesthetic beauty that provides some philosophical musings. You don't have to include purpose, consciousness, or anything else into the universe to appreciate reality. Sure, our perception of reality is somewhat imprecise, as our mental processing of our surroundings are an advanced simulation. We don't catch every event but we can develop the tools to become better at perceiving our environment more fully. We may never have appreciated the polarization of light, but having the tools to detect it allows us to better understand our universe. It gives our reality an extra dimension of observation. We've come to realize that with technological sophistication, we can extend our senses beyond just our physical bodies, into tools that can be millions of times more perceptive than our minds. We can look at the movement of molecules across protein channels in cell walls, observe type 1a supernova billions of light years away, measure the heat signature of a human body in the dead of night, detect scorpion movement with ultraviolet light, etc... Reality and our mental understanding of our surroundings are helped by these wonderful tools and methods of reality detection.

In short, although philosophically, the concept of reality is a topic that can take up volumes, in science, reality is the physical world and its interaction with our perceptions. Reality isn't an abstract concept, but that which is found all around us. Reality is what defines an object's path in parabolic motion, or the constituent atoms in a stirring hot cup of coffee. Anything outside of this is supernatural abstraction that cannot be falsified, and therefore, unworthy of integration into the actuality of the universe. Reality is tethered to empirical proof and the scientific method. Outside of this, as Wolfgang Pauli would say, "it's not even wrong".

There are accommodationists who believe that science and religion are not mutually incompatible, but I feel as though you're either living in reality, or in superstitious delusion. Stephen J Gould would use this to explain the topic of non-overlapping majestria. As though you could live with both and have no conflict. One is a delusion and the other is reality. There is a conflict, and they do overlap, and in the end, reality wins. How we choose to define ourselves as we live within and acknowledge this reality is less important than how we choose to live within it. Accepting that the universe is an apathetic place, with no conscious direction or purpose is just embracing reality. What you do with this is dependent on our individual personalities and experiences. We can use any label but in the end, we're bound by accepting reality. We don't need to call ourselves Brights, just to condescend to others, or show the delusional how rational we are. We need to stand up for our rights as individuals and realists, unite in our desire to maintain secular government, and prevent indoctrinated superstitions to dictate law and order.
Comment by Adrian Ramirez on September 10, 2009 at 8:12pm
All good points. Regarding Humanist, i think the name sounds like it limits the perspective to humans only, where as Naturalist encompasses all of the natural universe.

Also, religious people could call themselves freethinkers and skeptics: theyre skeptical of all empirical evidence and theyre free from thinking criticaly. haha. jk

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