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Godless of Hawaii

Any who respect critical thinking, empirical evidence, and the scientific method are welcome to join for some informal meetings at local bars, restaurants, beaches, etc.

Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Members: 38
Latest Activity: Jun 18

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Comment by rebturtle on July 19, 2009 at 8:25pm
It was a little delicate for me. My 11 year old daughter was visiting from the mainland (Kentucky), where she goes to church with her mom and family. I can tell that down deep she is a freethinker like me, but I don't press the issue. I don't want to "rock the boat" with her mom and family back home. She is extremely bright and will come into her own in due time. I don't hide any of my beliefs from her, but I don't press the issue either. I think I can do more by being an honest and forthright role model than by trying to make her choose between two paths of thought.

When I closed the door and turned around, I was happy to see that she had been sitting right there and heard the whole thing. When she asked, "What was that all about?" I merely replied, "They were trying to sell me God." It was vindicating enough just to see the acknowledgment in her eyes, and not confusion, fear, or disgust. I can tell she's too smart to be a Christian forever, so long as I give her the support that finding a world of Atheists online gave me!
Comment by Richard Valcourt on July 19, 2009 at 8:06pm
Yay, we've hit an important milestone: 10 members! Welcome aboard, reburtle. As Calvin has said, things have really picked up lately, so here's hoping we've reached the critical mass necessary to be an active, feisty, and fun group. By the way, you have far more patience than I do. When Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door I just politely shoo them away. It's too frustrating for me to discuss religion with them.
Comment by Calvin on July 19, 2009 at 7:34pm
Hey rebturtle, welcome to our little group of Hawaiian Heathens. Our group is starting to really grow. I found you by doing a members search for Hawaii and found about 6 more people from Hawaii, and I invited you all to come see this site. This is so great! We were so small just a few months ago, now it's really picking up. The guys here were just talking about how we know there are a lot more atheist in Hawaii, but we don't know how to get a word out to them.
Comment by rebturtle on July 19, 2009 at 6:50pm
Thanks for the invite, Calvin! I haven't been very active on here since I joined last summer. I have been able to practice my skills though. Just yesterday two guys came to our door trying to sell me God. It was an incredible feeling to be able to have a friendly, educated discussion/debate with them on the pros and cons of religion.

I've been Agnostic all of my life, but it wasn't until just last year that I was able to take that final last step and publicly declare myself an "Atheist." It's not that I think any differently than I ever did before, it was simply the power of the internet showing me that even though I was outnumbered, I wasn't alone. That was all it took for me to stand up for myself. 2-3 years ago I would have politely listened to the door-to-door Christians and then dismissed their attempts under my breath once the door closed. Now I have no problem actively engaging, debating, and even refuting their efforts right on my doorstep in front of my family!
Comment by Damien McLeod on July 8, 2009 at 10:49am
Hi Richard and Andrew

I haven't been back to the site in last couple of months, so when I looked in today it was good to see your welcoming notes. I'm still not back on the Islands but hope to get there by Oct.

Have a good one,
Damien
Comment by Richard Valcourt on July 6, 2009 at 10:29pm
Welcome to our fun-loving group of Hawaiian Heathens, Andrew B. I'm not sure any of us can help you find employment, but we'll be happy to speak enthusiastically about our island home...and to talk about atheism, of course.
Comment by Calvin on July 3, 2009 at 9:45pm
Hey Andrew Bush, welcome! Wow, using your full name sounds so formal. You’re the second Andrew we have here in our little group of heathens; we also got Andrew from Kauai. So you’re from Georgia and now you’re in Japan, cool… I really enjoyed my time in both of those places. Besides atheism, Hawaii is the only thing for sure that I believe we all have in common, so you are defiantly still on topic here. If you got any questions about Hawaii, don’t hesitate to ask.
Comment by Andrew Bush on June 29, 2009 at 2:51am
Hey there. I currently live in Japan but I'm originally from Georgia. I am thinking that when I am done here I plan on moving someplace beachy in America. I was thinking Hawaii could be a good place to start thinking about because I speak, read, and write Japanese and with so many Japanese people visiting and living in Hawaii compared to the other states it could be worth thinking about. I have a degree in Film, I speak Japanese, and I am Apple Certified. I know this is not about atheism but I just wanted to make contact with someone in Hawaii. Thanks.
Comment by Armen Martirosyan on June 4, 2009 at 7:25pm
Good to have a few more atheists on board, Alohas to Damien and Byron.

The stigma connected with the atheist label does turn a lot of people off. The negative connotation has unfortunately only been further reinforced by the media and the general population at large. It's been said many times that everybody is an atheist. Some people just happen to take the final logical step and completely discard any supernatural notions.

In my dealings with people, most tend to have at least a cursory understanding of disbelief. Few are so immersed in fundamentalist thinking that they cannot have a conversation with non-believers. Yet, we shall always remain arrogant to them.

In Hawaii in particular, people have a sense of humility that they feel transfers to their own religious beliefs. They don't want to have someone tell them that religion, spirituality, and pseudo-science is a product of flawed reasoning. I think part of that may do with the greater composition of Asian culture and Eastern concepts of humility. There are approaches towards debating these concepts, and lest anyone think I'm a good representation of an atheist peacemaker, unfortunately, I'm rather confrontational, and what some may call a "radical atheist".

One recent movement that does bother me, is Richard Dawkins' attempts at rebranding atheism to sound less negative. He wants to call us "brights", and further draws parallels with our plight as non-believers to those of homosexuals. Although I understand his message, and can't disagree with people's choices, I don't think atheism as a self-descriptive has to be removed from discourse for the general public to embrace its concepts. If anything, we have to make certain that the negative connotation it carries resolves into a positive light. The problem is most people haven't met and encountered outright atheists and their opinion is formed from assumptions. We must strive to show them that we don't need religion to become moral, that we can live a fulfilling life through rational thought and empirical reasoning. We can still appreciate the wonders of nature around us, without invoking imaginary concepts and deities.

Another negative connotation that comes to light is the concept of materialists. As atheists, we are materialists, but, like the negative connotation that the word atheism has garnered, the concept of materialism elicits negative connotations of consumerism and greed. We must really try to reinforce the other definition of materialism in terms of the physical construct of the universe. Unfortunately, people who call themselves "spiritual" cannot come to terms with this. They are sometimes even harder to illuminate than outright religious people. With religion, it's easier to highlight the intolerance and logical fallacies, for some to come to terms with. As far as people who view themselves as spiritual, and not necessarily religious, it's even harder to explain the concept of materialism. They have an inherent need for the security blanket of belief. The indoctrinated notions of the supernatural are just as hard, if not harder, than concepts of personal deities to discard.
Comment by Richard Valcourt on June 2, 2009 at 5:59pm
On more than one occasion, both here and when I lived on the mainland, I've had conversations that went something like this:

Me: "I don't believe in God."
Friend: "I'm not religious, either."
Me: "Do you believe in God?"
Friend: "No, not really."
Me: "So you're an atheist."
Friend: "What? No!!"

It's like they just can't make that final leap of unfaith. The stigma of atheism is very strong, as Aaron says, and I think they realize how differently some people will think of them if they publicly admit their atheism to friends and family. A reasonably reliable poll revealed revealed that people in the US hold atheists in lower esteem than even members of Al-Quaeda. We have a serious public relations problem here!
 

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