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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 173
Latest Activity: 4 hours ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo 4 hours ago. 0 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud 8 hours ago. 17 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 28, 2014 at 1:23pm

Oh gosh everything you ever wanted to know about worms is on the internet. What did we do without the "Net"?  

Joan, I learned that I do not want earthworms. Did you know that earthworms tend to be solitary and like lots of space and don't multiply in worm boxes? Surely you must already know that since yours is so successful. I have a friend who volunteers at a Equine center and I'm hoping to go with her to dig through a pile and try to find some of the composting type worms, or red wigglers, rather than having to buy some online.  Need to be frugal. :)  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 28, 2014 at 11:26am

Joan, As I mentioned in previous post I watched the Worm Factory 360 video and liked the idea of a small way to compost. I just checked the price - ouch! So I went in search of something I can afford and look -  and they even tell you how to gather your own worms with cardboard.  I know I have worms in my two beds close to the house so it's just a matter of enticing them to the surface!  Thanks for the suggestion. Another fun project.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 28, 2014 at 9:42am

I can understand your sense of accomplishment and smiling at the thought of growing things.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 28, 2014 at 9:21am

Spud, putting the stones in the truck, taking out of the truck and putting in garden cart, hauling cart to back yard, unloading stones out of cart and then putting into place in yard. Better than hours spent in a gym pumping iron!  LOL  The sense of accomplishment when I walk outside is the best part though.  And when I think of all the beds filled with growing things, welllll, just makes me smile broadly. :) 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 28, 2014 at 9:16am

Randall, thanks for the comment. I can understand why you bought the Tacoma, rides like a dream and a ton of features my car doesn't have! :)  

The hard part is now over .... and the fun begins in a few months when I start to plant and see if I can really grow something. One of the many books I've read said to start small. He recommended a 10' x 10' veggie garden and so that is what I created with a path for the garden cart down the middle.  I have room and all beds can be expanded a little each year as I gain experience and have success with different plants. Laying out a seating area and a herb garden is a winter project. 

I have a question for anyone. I want to use some of  my leaves as mulch on beds, but, I don't have a bag on my mulching lawn mower. When I run the mower across them it pulverizes them and there is nothing to rake up. Everything I read says not to put them on whole as they prevent moisture from getting to bed over winter and don't break down.  One guy suggested putting them in trash can and then using 'weed wacker', I'm assuming he means weedeater, to chop them up. Does this make sense, or does somebody have a better method? 

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 28, 2014 at 9:15am

Barbara, It looks like it did take a lot of work to get your yard looking like that.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 28, 2014 at 8:19am

Barbara, I'm impressed! Looking good. I own a Toyota Tacoma and love the bed liner for loading rocks and wood. No scratches!

Daniel and Joan, back in the days, land owners were too ignorant to realize the results of erosion due to the lack of grass cover. The government finally had to step in and PAY farmers to shelter the potential gullies. On my farm, I have 3.3 acres in CRP grasses (Big Bluestem). I get paid $700 a year not to farm it.

Comment by Daniel W on October 27, 2014 at 9:45pm
My family farm in Missouri was formerly flat prairie, which developed gullies 20 feet deep due to erosion. It was all clay and sand. Grew good foxtail and johnsongrass.

Barbara thanks for the update! What a huge project! You should be proud.
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 27, 2014 at 2:11pm

Randy, you wrote, 

"Here in Indiana (north central), we used to have a deep topsoil, but it's been decapitated by farm field erosion. We have a lot of rocks, too, from glacial deposits."

Your landscape is so much like mine in many ways. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 27, 2014 at 10:59am

I just finished reading all of your posts over the past week - and such a wealth of information!

Cenek, your post was simply great. I really appreciated the common sense, plain talk, of soil. The one point that really hit home was if you are going to grow native plants then don't change the soil a great deal. The graph simplified things for me too. It is my goal to use all native plants.  I plan to add some hummus to my flower beds as trying to rototill them was like working with concrete, and definitely compost to my veggie growing area. 

Randall, I had given serious thought to sweet potatoes, but realized that I really don't want to give up that much space, and will stick to regular potatoes in towers. 

Joan, I only have one small area that is shady all day long and I considered putting a compost pile there. However, after reviewing the work involved with composting and after watching the video on Worm Factory 360 - that's what I'm going to do. The key thing to worm farming appears to be temperature - 40-80F degrees, and for 6-7 months out of the year our temp is above 80. I can grow worms in my office year round. :) Assuming it won't smell that is.

Daniel, I have finally taken down your wildflower field pic as my computer desktop - and I'm waiting for a Fall pic! :)

As usual your harvesting results continue to keep me inspired.  All I "harvested" this year was Mexican Sage blooms which I dried a large bunch and now have them on my dining room table in a large vase. Rather pretty and nice to know I grew them.  A whole lot nicer than Fake colored plants. :)  

While I was picking up rocks I noticed a native milkweed, Green Milkweed, Ascleouas viridis  growing hearby and picked a couple heads off a plant. After drying them for a couple of days I wound up with several seeds.  After stratification I intend to plant some directly into the ground and a few in pots inside and see which do better. Either way I hope to have native milkweed next year.

Randall, I believe it was you who questioned whether it was too early to start thinking about Spring planting ... never, never, never! 

I haven't quite finished my Hugelkultur bed as it still needs some leaves and lots of dirt and then plenty of time to 'meditate' and in the meantime I have several books to read and lists to make of the various native plants I'm going to plant come March!.  So, to my way of thinking gardening is year round - just different stages.


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