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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 12, 2014 at 8:21am

Randall, nice yours is still a family farm and "in the family".  

Don, yes, I agree.Putting that idea behind us is easy when you try to shop for fruits and veggies in grocery - tasteless and hard unripened fruit, veggies drenched in pesticides ... makes growing your own very appealing. 

Comment by Don on November 12, 2014 at 8:03am

Many times I've heard similar stories, Randall--of adults who grew up on farms where they hoed and weeded in the kitchen garden all summer long (and half the spring an fall) who NEVER wanted to look at a garden plot again.  After WWII's trials and triumph, too, I think many adults of our parents' and grandparents' age felt they deserved lives of ease.  Besides, supermarkets were beginning to supply whatever you needed--much of it fresh--and home gardening smacked of the Depression and poverty.  I'm glad we have put that attitude behind us. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 12, 2014 at 7:43am

Barbara, my mother was a "farm girl", too. However, her mother made every effort to steer her away from that kind of life. She encouraged art and music and a refined culture. To her dying day she never gardened. The family farm is now managed by my daughter and SIL. (Silverthorn-farm.com)

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 11, 2014 at 7:31pm

Daniel, I found this defnition of a food forest and I really like how they say that one can be made up of several property owners, each doing a part of the forest. I would certainly like to convince my neighbors to discontinue use of pesticides/herbicides and join me in creating one.  I don't think you would be presumptuous at all - take a look at the little picture - I'd say you are pretty darn close if not already doing it. 

As you mentioned before there are so many different ways to go about it. While waiting four hours for two recalls to be fixed on my car this morning, I read yet another book on permaculture and the author said it requires patience and time and often years to achieve.  

Joan, again it really a case of taking from each author/expert what interests us isn't it? I'm glad you too were able to glean some good ideas from the links.  

Bertold just simply pretty and I too like the presentation. :)

Spud, In spite of living on the farm until I was 14, somehow I never attached to a brain cell the information about soil, composting and other proper gardening techniques. I saw our garden as one huge space that had to be weeded - when I would rather be doing something else.  Ditto caring for the hundreds of chickens!  I guess some things we learn late in life.  This time I decided I would not waste money on doing it the wrong way. 

Randall, Bundle up! The cold finally came roaring into TX dropping temps by 40 degrees from yesterday.  

Worm report: They are alive and ate all the original food I gave them!  I'm on my way to growing dirt. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 11, 2014 at 3:12pm

I like neatness too, but it doesn't always like me.  Getting there.

Today I was off for a few hours, so mowed my little orchard.  I think it's pretentious of me to try calling it a food forest, but it's heading that direction.  Most of the trees have mulch, continuing from summer when I applied grass clippings.  Now in the fall, about half got maple leaves.  Once it's mowed the mulch is in place, it's fairly tidy.  But not in a way that landscapers would like.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2014 at 2:27pm

Barbara, I understand and agree with your dislike of the clutter of the permaculture garden. The way Lawton manages his life seems to be more chaotic than I like. So I looked at his designs and realize I can learn the principles and then do some things differently. For example, I can make berms by design and cover them with compost or chips and they look neat and clean. Also, with Fukuoka's design, I can use white clover as a cover crop and it is pretty, or some other plant choice. 

The neatness of a well trimmed lawn does not interest me.

Comment by Daniel W on November 11, 2014 at 11:15am

Bertold, your presentation is much nicer than mine.  I get occasional blooms during the year.  Mostly they are outside in the shade on east side of house.  Too easy to grow from cuttings - I start plants I have no more space for.  Sometimes I give them away.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 11, 2014 at 10:38am

We have about 10 of these babies too. They bloom about 6 months of the year. Nice now when nothing else is.

Comment by Daniel W on November 11, 2014 at 10:12am

Barbara, it sounds like some great memories.  Something to be nostalgic about.

Randy, be careful out in the cold!

We expect to be into the 20s tonight.  Not as bad as some places, but winter is here, for certain.

I don't buy these cactuses any more.  Went through a phase of picking one up now and then in the grocery store, during the holiday season.  Now I have about 8.  Cheerful this time of year.  They get minimal care - sit in shade during summer and fall, bring inside when they start to bud - Oct - repot once in a while, water when I remember.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 11, 2014 at 7:48am

Today (actually, only this morning) is my last chance to work in the garden before the weather turns brutal--highs in the 30's for a week at least. I have much to clean up. Picked my last good head of cauliflower to blanch and freeze. Still have kale, collards, carrots, some cabbage heads, and rainbow chard. Oh, and arugula.

Barbara, I was surprised to hear you were raised on a farm. Lucky girl, even though you didn't appreciate it at the time. Here I assumed you were a rookie in the gardening venture. I certainly feel like an amateur compared to Daniel, Don, Joan, etc. Anyway, I enjoy reading about your progressions (adventures?)! 

Don, you're right, of course. Pruning IS important. I'm giving excuses why I don't!

 

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