Godless in the garden

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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 170
Latest Activity: 2 hours ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry yesterday. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston yesterday. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 5:41pm

I love squash and that is what I plan to grow in both of my hugelkultur beds - butternut and acorn.  I've been saving the seeds from the ones I buy at grocery store. I keep reading that if you expect them to grow you should buy organic otherwise they have been treated and won't grown.  Anyone had luck with grocery store seeds?

Joan, my gosh, too big to fit in oven?  I had no idea squash got that large. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 5:34pm

Amy, "not as good as I'd like to be" - oh, girl,  I know how that feels. You are among some very good gardeners on here and they will sure be able to give you ideas and help.  I'm just starting out and I've made so many mistakes its laughable.  For example ...

I created two beds and planted them in the Spring, and didn't have money to buy plants, etc.for any other beds this year.  However, I figured I could get the other beds ready. So I bought a rototiller and proceeded to remove the grass and till the soil. Done!  Just had to wait for spring. Sadly, about a week later I learned nature doesn't wait and it proceeded to plant a whole bunch of new weeds for me in the new beds.

Then the leaves began to fall and I knew leaves were wonderful mulch and because of my clay soil it would help feed and lighten it.  So I promptly put all my neighbor's leaves and mine on my beds. It looked really nice. :) 

What I didn't know and found out quite by accident,  that it takes 2 - 3 years for leaves to break down and a heavy layer of leaves can cause fungus.  Yikes!  It had rained and all the leaves were wet ... jeezus ... so I raked them onto the lawn to dry out. Today I ran over them with mulching lawn mower, pulverizing them, and then put them back onto the beds.

Funny? !  I think so, and trust me that is only one of my goof ups. The experienced gardeners on here are probably just shaking their heads.  So, Amy, you came to the right place - Daniel is knowledgeable and empathetic as are the other members - so welcome!

Comment by Amy on December 13, 2014 at 4:55pm
Barbara, I put seeds in their original envelopes in the zip lock bags lol if I have seeds, I throughly dry them before freezingg. I've never had mold issues. I do love gardening, but I'm not as good at it as I'd like to be! Joan, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:40pm

Daniel, I am thinking about more squashes, as well. My neighbor supplied me with some beauties. I ate the patty pans at once and now have a bushel of winter squash left. One is too big to go in my oven, so the old ax will have to come out. 

Well, the December thaw is here. We've had a week of thawing weather. I hope trees and shrubs don't break dormancy. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:35pm

Amy, it is wonderful to read your posts! You clearly love the garden environment and have much to add to our conversation. I thoroughly enjoy reading your discussion with Daniel about seeds and catalogues. I just sent away for a couple of ones I don't get, thanks to your communication. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:30pm

Barbara, being hit with risk to you and damage to your car is a bad way to get your pickup truck. However, you will be able to do so much with it. I can see you now with steaming manure going into your compost and garden. Very glad you were not seriously hurt. Did you get whiplash? or bodylash? 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 2:39pm

Patricia, thanks. Chiropractor got rid of nasty headache and said I was good to go. Advised I do something outside and not sit in recliner feeling sorry for myself all weekend.

At time of accident I was on my way home with new blower/vac/mulcher so I decided to go put it together and take it for a test run.  It's Black & Decker and electric.  

I have to say I'm not all that impressed as it didn't chop up the leaves as much as I thought it would. I wanted to put the leaves onto my various beds to feed as well as a mulch. So, now do I go to Lowe's and get chicken wire and create a compost bin for all the leaves and add starter so I'll have good compost by March - OR do I run them through the vac/mulcher again and put on the beds anyway so I'll at least have a mulch of some kind.

Amy and Daniel, your discussion on seed saving sent me off in search of the subject.  All this time I thought seeds should be saved  in paper envelopes and that is what I've done. Now thanks you I learned that paper allows moisture in, and zip lock bags can seal in moisture and cause mold if seeds are not throughly dry - AND according to one person - best way of saving seeds is in thin polyethylene (sp?) bags as it prevents moisture but allows the seeds to breathe. It appears we all have different ways. 

Amy, absolutely nothing wrong with OCD. It helps us to be organized along with getting a lot done - along with making lists, labeling everything, creating database, logging growth, and listing mistakes ... well, not mistakes, just things we won't do again. lol :)   

Comment by Patricia on December 13, 2014 at 1:40pm

Good to hear you're ok Barbara, & no damn angels involved!

Comment by Daniel W on December 13, 2014 at 10:38am

Nothing wrong with being a little OCD.  I go from that to chaos, but would be more organized if I had my way.

A lot of web sites say you can't grow okra in containers and plant outside.  That's not true.  I think you just have to be careful not to disturb the roots.   Last year I started the variety Burgundy inside at about christmas and grew it under lights.  Just the CFL type.  It did OK, even bloomed inside.  I had it on my deck for the summer, got about a dozen pods.  I think some of the SeedSavers varieties might be from OK, or at least TX - I'll check later today if I get a chance.

Comment by Amy on December 13, 2014 at 10:21am
I do use ziplocks. I have them organized by type of seeds and labeled. I'm a little OCD lol actually, I haven't had alot of luck with okra, but I'm going to try again next year. I'm going to start it in the house early and get them out a little earlier
 

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