Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on October 6, 2014 at 9:54am

Randy, thanks for reminding me to plant lettuce, Cauliflower & Broccoli next year. I hate paying what the store wants for an inferior product.

Barbara, I'm glad to hear how great your new rototiller is working for you.

I've not been posting because my garden has been disappointing this year, especially the watermelon.  I think the main problem was a week or more of cold wet weather in the middle of the summer, which I've read watermelon don't like. 

None of the muskmelons that I've eaten so far have been fully ripe.  They taste good, but are still hard, and could taste much better.  There are still melons on the vine, but it's doubtful I'll get any better.

There was a 32 degree F morning 3.5 weeks ago which killed a third of the watermelon leaves (the ones on the top of the hillocks).  That probably stopped any still on the vine from ripening further, but I'm letting them sit until the first frost below 32, to see what happens.

I did get a few watermelon that were fair to good tasting after they were cooled in the refrigerator.  I've discovered that fact is true.  They do taste better after refrigeration.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 6, 2014 at 9:28am

Randall, I'm still doing a few things here. It is alot cooler and we too have had some rain.  I finally found a simple design for my veggie garden that will work best smack in the middle of my yard, and will put down a tarp to kill the grass this week.  Transplanted a few things for more appropriate space and sun exposure and put in a few more xeriscape plants. Next year at this time I'll be able to "talk veggies" with y'all.  :)

I used my new rototiller and for me it's perfect. On previously turned earth it's a snap, and when digging up existing St. Augustine grass I had to stop often as the roots wrapped around the tines.  Not a big deal and trust me sooooo much easier than digging with a spade, shovel or on my hands and knees.  I took off the top layer of grass, cleaned it up, then continued digging deeper.  Since this is my very first time using a rototiller I have nothing to compare it to.  All I know is that I wound up with fluffy dirt that my little puppy just loved, and I was able to dig a hole to plant a Pride of Barbados in just a couple of minutes.  I now know that digging up my veggie garden and planting a few more trees will be easy and I won't have to pay someone to do it for me.

A magical moment earlier this week when I saw my puppy looking at my Milkweed Plant that is in full bloom - the pods are about to burst open for the second time ... and there was a Monarch Butterfly!  A small but happy sucess for the season.  I saved most of the seeds from the first flush and will germinate them over the winter to plant in the Spring.  

Have a great week everyone! :) 


Comment by Randall Smith on October 6, 2014 at 7:53am

What, nobody gardening? After 2.5" of rain three days ago, I can't work in my garden(s). However, I can continue to eat out of it. Enjoying chard, kale, fall lettuce, etc., besides the aformentioned cabbage, caulif., and broc.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 2, 2014 at 7:35am

Thanks, Joan. Notice the weeds! Thanks for the D.E. tip. I have some leftover from when I had a pool for the kids (used in the filter). And I have a hand pump.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 1, 2014 at 11:56am

Oh! Randy, They are just gorgeous! So bright, and green, and I am sure, very crisp. OH! I used to grow those when the kids lived at home. I'm going back to growing them again. You inspire me. Yes, I like the salt trick, too. 

Have you tried diatomaceous earth sprayed with a dry sprayer? Get the under-leaves especially. It's cheap, it's easy. There is a major problem, it is not good for birds. I use a light garden sheet, you know, the kind that looks like gauze, to keep birds out. The diatomaceous earth is good for the compost, too, when you pick those beautiful vegetables and have those huge leaves for composting. 

Comment by Randall Smith on October 1, 2014 at 7:38am

I use salted water, too.

Here we are, Joan--photos! Cauliflower and a cabbage (with caterpillar and a work glove for size reference).

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 30, 2014 at 12:30pm

Good tip about salted water Don.

Comment by Don on September 30, 2014 at 11:33am
When I begin to have a cabbage worm problem, I go out in the morning and pluck them off the cabbages. Takes five minutes. And I let my harvested broccoli sit for a hour or so in a bowl of salted water. They don;t like that at all.
Comment by Randall Smith on September 30, 2014 at 7:35am

Larry, I DO have cabbage "worms", esp. on broccoli. I use a bT spray or garlic soap if they really get bad. I've eaten my fair share of the little rascals!

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 29, 2014 at 10:15pm

Randy, you surely give us a tease about your hint of huge cauliflower plant(s), giant cabbages and nice broccoli, beans, and sweet potatoes. 


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