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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

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Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on September 7, 2014 at 12:06pm

Randy, what a bummer! Chasing after a dog at night.

Bertold, What a wonderful little dog family you have. Looks like loads of personalities ... do they get along nicely? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 7, 2014 at 12:00pm

Oh my goodness Barbara, what a task. I surely would advise black plastic. You might want to try a small section with your tiller and see how it works for you. I know that will take time, but you will find out if I am wrong and we both learn something. 

One option is to call your county extension agent for advice, or talk to other gardeners.

Jeez, I would hate to take on the whole back yard in one season. That would be like trying to eat a whole elephant at one sitting. I have been working my ground for 40 years and have made some major design changes. I started by pulling out every living thing on a 50' x 50' patch for a vegetable garden and planted the rest in grass. In honor of my son, Craig's, wedding and groom's dinner, I had the whole back yard stripped and turned into a meditation garden. That was 18 years ago. Now, I am slowly replacing a few trees, shrubs and perennials with vegetables. As life changes, my needs for a garden design changes. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 7, 2014 at 11:56am

@ Joan - I don't grow zinnias because of the mildew.

I know what you mean. Despite literally dousing them in fungicide, I still had several just whither away. I also had a patch of cosmos turn brown and croak. I guess it's kind of like hollyhocks and rust. Is there nothing that can be done?

Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 11:55am

Joan, there is no such thing as too much information when it comes to gardening. :)  So I definitely want/need any ideas.  

Thanks for comment on the  patio - yes, morning cup of coffee was actually the reason I created the space, and a late evening glass of wine is nice too .. while the dogs go do their business in the yard. 

The red flags in the picture are utility lines; phone, electric and cable. The flags determined the dimensions of my bed and future plantings in the area. All lots in this subdivision are zero-lots, all houses are built exactly on property line and there is a 5' easement. With only 12' between the houses we all have to be friendly. The subdivision was built in 1986 and there is no HOA and people pretty much do as they please, there is an ORANGE house across the street, and quite a bit of chain link fencing, and yes storage buildings are common.  The only limitation I have put on myself is no perm plantings, i.e. trees and shrubs close to fence, etc. If I can't cut it to the ground in case of repair/maint to houses,  and have it still live I'm not planting it.  So perennials are my go-to plants. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 7, 2014 at 11:53am

Thanks Barbara. Adorable and obnoxious at times, but almost always fun.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 7, 2014 at 11:30am

Barbara, my humble apology for inundating you with information, you have the problem well in hand. Your before and after photos are spectacular, to say the least. Under the conditions you describe and the photo of before, your grass is probably already dead. 

I gardened for two years in El Paso and two years in Ft. Hood, Killeen, TX and I know the grasses of that area. If there is any question about a living root, get it out before you invest time and money on your project. Those little devils hide behind atoms and molecules and come to life with the first taste of water. In Killeen, I made the mistake of not getting all the roots and my gorgeous plantings were soon tangled with that awful straw called grass. 

Your design is so pretty, it fits the space and invites one to an adventure into the beyond. A perfect way to use that space. Your choices of plants make good sense and trial and error is the best teacher. 

I like the red accents and the potted vines are so pretty. Is it cool enough, even in the mornings, to enjoy the space with breakfast? My memory is that nights were too hot to enjoy the outside, even as the days were impossible. 

The line of red flags, are they property markers? If so, your neighbor has use of a good size of your land. I like the fence that you put at the end of the patio. Are buildings on property lines allowed? 

I don't grow zinnias because of the mildew. Even diatomaceous earth did not stop its spread each spring. Fungus is such a dreadful garden disease, I finally decided to cut down a mugho pine because I couldn't keep the fungus out of it. I will be watching to see what happens as our temperature changes take effect in the garden. Already, Spokane has been moved from USDA zone 5 to zone 6. That is good for some plants, but not so good for the heirlooms of this area. Lilacs and tulips, for example.

I am so glad you are back, posting again. I promise not to dump a load of information on you that you obviously do not need.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 11:17am

Berthold, adorable pooches! 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 11:08am

Joan, thanks for the video on removing grass.  That is exactly why I bought the tiller.  As I said in previous post I dug out space between houses on my hands and knees and there is just too much space left for me to even think about doing with a spade/shovel, and I can either pay someone to do it or have money for plants. 

I used tarps and killed the grass in a 40' x 4' bed, and I had planed to rake up the dead grass and then till it good, adding amendments. I thought if I tilled it good, then planted and used plenty of mulch it would be okay. I didn't realize that even though the grass in the area is dead, dead, dead that there would still be grass seeds in it.   

Tarps came off 40' x 4' bed along fence.

 

It was my hope to turn the major part of my lawn into an edible landscape, saving some space for the dogs to play.  However, I was going to use the tiller to create more beds that will include, a Hugelkulture and two others using the OLLAS. That is in addition to getting rid of the grass for berry bushes, space for potatoes, etc. etc.

I'm physically active, however, I know I'm not active enough to dig all of this up with a spade or shovel ...

 

So it appears I need to purchase a great deal of plastic sheeting. :)

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 7, 2014 at 11:02am

Barbara, your walkway and patio look nice.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 7, 2014 at 10:40am

About a year ago I bit the bullet and installed the Invisible Fence, and it's working like a charm for my three little monsters from the shelter. Their lives and mine have been so much easier!

 

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