Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:23am

Fractals in nature: fibonacci number, and golden ratio. Science was the one created all these beauties around us.


The correct spelling is Fibonacci number

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:13am

Fractals in nature: Fabonacco Sequence and the Golden Ratio.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:06am

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:03am

The Hypnotic Patterns of Sunflowers

Nature's mathematical marvel, the sunflower displays the Fabonacco Sequence and the Golden Ratio. These are not numbers that just happened, inquiring minds figured these out by observing and asking why and experimenting and trial and error. These were not a "rule" handed down by ancient beliefs, they were discovered, much as an explorer discovers new lands. The discovered patterns then became codified into the sciences and used for effective, efficient and beautiful  designs. 

Fibonacci sequence: or 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144 ... each number in the sequence is the sum of the previous two numbers. In sunflowers, the spirals in the center are generated from this sequence -- "there are two series of curves winding in opposite directions, starting at the center and stretching out to the petals, with each seed sitting at a certain angle from the neighboring seeds to create the spiral."

Golden Ratio: or  2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, 13/21, etc. ..."choose the most irrational number there is, that is to say, the one the least well approximated by a fraction. This number is exactly the golden mean. The corresponding angle, the golden angle, is 137.5 degrees. (It is obtained by multiplying the non-whole part of the golden mean by 360 degrees and, since one obtains an angle greater than 180 degrees, by taking its complement). With this angle, one obtains the optimal filling, that is, the same spacing between all the seeds


Comment by Daniel W on October 17, 2012 at 9:32am

A reason to save your own seeds.  From seed saver's exchange, garlic crops reduced by bacterial infection.  Infection could spreads as garlic heads are shipped around the country.  Saving your own likely reduces the spread to others, and likely reduces your own risk of losing your crop.  (my take on this).   I did buy starts this year of another variety - my aquisitional little demon demanded it! - but they are in a separate raised bed, and were big cloves, so I hope unaffected.  My beds are far from any other gardens.  In addition, individual growers are more likely to have a reservoir of unaffected plants and can resupply if the large growers are affected.  

"Many garlic growers in the Midwest have reported yellowing leaves and premature browning resulting in both crop loss and smaller garlic heads at harvest. Some growers have had almost 100% crop loss while others have had little or none."

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 15, 2012 at 2:20am

Nerdless, a favorite flower of mine, sunflowers. Glad to learn stevia works out well for you.

Comment by Nerdlass on October 15, 2012 at 2:14am

This weekend I went to see the sunflower fields in the town over. A typhoon had come and knocked most of them down, but I was able to enjoy them, nonetheless. I was simply amazed at the size of the heads! Like dishes! Wow! LOL Anyway, I just want to thank you, Joan for all your advice with the stevia. So far, so good!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 11:30pm

Here is a better video of fractals that explains techniques and processes. If you try to create a fractal with pencil and paper, it is virtually impossible. I spent several days doing the geometry to bring cosmos out of chaos. With a computer, it just means punching in a few numbers, pressing a "Go" and wait. The original Mandelbrot set was left to run overnight, I think by accident, and resulted in unbelievable patterns.

"Understanding Fractals"

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 14, 2012 at 8:46pm

This rather fundamental fractal, showing only a brief example of fractal tree design, reveals a representation of how natural growth develops. I wish he would stay with forms of flora growth, that could be very interesting to watch. I find the geometric patterns less interesting than flora, sometimes. 


Comment by Daniel W on October 14, 2012 at 5:25pm

Hulda Klager Lilac Garden.


I've been there twice during their lilac festival.  Many of the lilacs there were planted by Hulda Klager, who enjoyed creating new hybrids.


Come to think of it, my profile photo is taken in front of a Lilac at the Klager garden.


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