Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 18, 2012 at 5:53am

Chris, to see my photos and albums, go to > Joan Denoo > My Albums >

or > 

Joan's garden - Five years of changing seasons.


Comment by Plinius on October 18, 2012 at 1:22am

It's a wonderful planning, Joan, and it must be very satisfying to look at such a garden. I can see you can plan like this because your garden is big and open, so you don't have to think of the light or the wind when planning. Have you got a summer picture?

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 4:21pm

If you take the East and West line it represents:

The Power to Be + The Power to Belong = We

If you take the North and South line it represents: 

The Power to Do + the Power Think = Praexis

I use the center of the circle to represent the connection between Earth and the Universe. Now, you are going to have to stretch your imagination a bit, but you know how a well dug into the ground is to reach water? we are like a hole in the air connecting Earth and Universe. We exist, we are part of it all and it is all part part of us. 

I am plagiarizing Neil deGrasse Tyson for this "being part of the universe"  concept.

Comment by Daniel W on October 17, 2012 at 4:11pm

maybe we don't have to plan for it, the numbers seem to be every where.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 4:08pm

The Four Elements

I use the four elements in my garden.

East  air  yellow  The Power to Be

South  fire  red  The Power to Do

West  water  blue  The Power to belong

North  earth/soil  black/white  The Power to Think

When figuring out this pattern, I had trouble with North and the Power of earth/soil and fooling around with the idea, I realized soil >black >dark > decompose > regenerate > the brain is in a dark place of regeneration of ideas = Think

Putting this pattern on a circle, my round patio, I wanted to use the directions to remind me of the elements and I assigned meaning to them. 

I chose East represented by yellow, the color of morning, a new day, the breath of life, spring, planting, seeds, and it represented me, as an individual. 

Power to Be.

I chose South represented by red, color of red in fire, hot, midday, the time of growing, building, working, it represents physical growth and the body. 

Power to Do.

I chose West represented by blue, color of water in lakes and oceans, end of day, sunset, harvest, life that comes from the ocean, evolution, and it represents family or others. 

Power to Belong.

I chose North represented by black or white, the color of night, decomposition, dormancy and the quiet place of contemplation.

Power to Think. 

Garden 2010 late autumn

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 3:31pm
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 3:11pm


I googled, Fabonacco Sequence and the Golden Ratio + garden design. This came up. I haven't read it yet, just scanned it and this gardener is on the same track. Let's explore. 

"What if I told you that the success of your garden had less to do with plants than with proportion? Or that a simple ratio, used by the Hindus and the Moors and brought to Europe by a thirteenth-century Italian, could solve almost all your design issues? You’d probably think that I’d abandoned my Master Gardener roots, or worse, but it’s true." 

Comment by Daniel W on October 17, 2012 at 1:49pm


It would be interesting to find ways to put the geometry to work in the garden.  Maybe someone has done so.


I like to use concepts of evolution and ecology.  I don't know how geometry would fit in.  Just interesting to think about.


The cemetery irises were two types.  One was uniform blue (self).  The other was white standards and blue/purple fall.  That might be the variety Helen Collingwood, based on the appearance and web readings about heritage irises that proliferate and persist to the present time.   I bought the variety Helen Collingwood via a web site, we'll see if it blooms next Spring.  There are so many blue ones, I don't know.  Could be Iris Pallida, which originates in 1789.  Also ordered that one, from a site that deals only in heritage plants. Then again, may be a 20th century hybrid.  They ship ready-to-bloom plants in April.  Next Spring - I might have some in bloom.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:52am

great article on Hulda Klager. Your photo in front of her lilac is special.  Quite a story about the river floods and replacement tasks. Appropriate use of river front heritage; glad industry didn't go in.
Do you have any idea the iris color from the cemetery? Please keep me posted on its progress. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 17, 2012 at 10:27am

Sentient, thank you for the information and your report on your crop. I start the hunt to find prevention and remedy.

How did your crop turn out, taste-wise? 


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