Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on October 23, 2012 at 10:40am

Spud, cool pics!

Next year I have more room to spread out, so I think I'll seek seeds for the Pink Banana Squashes that I grew as a kid.  I haven't seen one in decades.  They can be found in a number of places, such as rare seeds.com  My mother made them into  "pumpkin pies".

Peppers do well in my short season / cool summer if I grow them in containers.  Not great, but well.  I grow various types of chilis.  I look for the shortest days to harvest on the packet.  Cayennes and Hungarian yellow peppers do well for me.

As for leaves, my  neighborhood has a bit of a "leaf war".  People sneak bags of leaves out of driveways during the night.  Must be gardeners.  I chop/crunch mine up by running lawn  mower over them.  Then they don't get slimey as mulch.   Takes some effort but they do make a great mulch and they nourish the soil.  I collect all of the leaves I can get.

I also buy composted lawn waste / yard waste at the local recycler. My raised beds are about 2/3 soil and 1/3 compost.

Love this discussion!  Thanks to all of you.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2012 at 10:08pm

Idaho Spud, these are great for pies, or mashed with butter, salt, and pepper.They don't keep well, so eat them with gusto. 

I don't grow good Green peppers, they turn out bitter and not plump and juicy. In Spokane Valley they do extremely well at 1,994 ft elevaton. Where I am, at a higher elevation on top of a volcanic layer, it is 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2012 at 9:29pm

I don't know why the purple color and it is odd, to me. How do they taste? They might be a real "keeper". 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2012 at 9:27pm

Idaho Spud, as I remember, they make delicious pies, or mashed, and are not good keepers, so eat them with relish. 

Spokane River is 1995' elevation and green peppers grow beautifully in the Spokane Valley. I live up on the first volcanic bench at 2254' elevation and I have never been able to grow green peppers, they turn out bitter and tough, not the juicy, fat critters. So give them a try. You may find you are in exactly the right place. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 22, 2012 at 5:39pm

I also grew some Cushaw Green Striped winter squash for the first time this year, and got three.  Two of them were 10 inches, but one monster reached 20 inches long.  I haven't eaten any yet, so don't know how they taste.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 22, 2012 at 5:29pm

I grew some Bell Peppers for the first time ever this year, and was surprised when I harvested them the day before the frost hit.  They were a dark purple!

The seeds were from the cheap "American Seed" company, the packet calls them California Wonders and the picture shows them green.  

Then, a few days ago, I looked in the refrigerator crisper bin where I put them, and they were turning green in patches.  I've looked a little on Wikipedia and Google, but so far, I see no explanation for this.

They didn't get yellow or red because my season is too short I think, and I also let my berries cover them, so they didn't get full sun, but I can't imagine that would make them purple.

What do you guys think?

Comment by Annie Thomas on October 22, 2012 at 5:22pm

Thanks for the article Joan! The leaves that I do rake, I put in a pile next to the compost and use them for covering my kitchen scraps.  I do, however, have two large magnolia trees in the front and must rake those and leave them for the lawn trash pick-up.  They are just so large and thick and seem to take forever to decompose.  Our lawn recycling program here allows you to call for a free truckload of mulch to be dropped at the front of your yard. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2012 at 4:40pm

Idaho Spud, great job! I just cringe when I see all that treasure being sent off to the landfill. Now we have green recycle and the resulting compost is made available for public to buy. Good for you!. You will be surprised how fact plants perk up. I do caution, however, if piled deeply around plants, it will tend to mold and cause problems. An easy remedy is put it in a compost pile or compost bin. Black Flies will form if enough dirt isn't thrown in on top. I keep my compost at the far end of the garden, hang some fly catchers nearby, and I have no problem.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 22, 2012 at 2:05pm

Joan, thanks for the article on leaves.  I'm glad to see that studies show mowing leaves into your lawn makes for a better lawn, even thought I don't have one.

I let the leaves from my trees get recycled into my garden and last year I couldn't stand to see my neighbor's leaves from her huge trees get thrown into the garbage cans, so I asked if I could rake them up and use them on my garden and compost piles.  It was a lot of work, but I got a lot of good compost for my garden.  I see they are falling again today with the windy conditions.  I'll do it again if my old body will let me.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2012 at 12:25pm

Improve Your Soil by Raking Less

My son and I garden together and it has been a learning experience for me. He like to garden for appearance, I like to garden for what is good for the plants. The two are not necessarily opposed, but do create some healthy discussions. Our compromise, he will compost what he would prefer to go to city waste and I spread compost in the spring or autumn, whichever is appropriate. It works. 


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