Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 28, 2012 at 8:51pm

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Comment by Idaho Spud on October 28, 2012 at 5:30pm

Amer, can you tell me the variety of this cactus?  It's OK down to 25 degrees F so far, but the top 2/3 of the Aloe Vera leaves are looking looking a little mushy.

My Jade Hybrid Cauliflower is looking good:

My Romanesco Broccoli leaves are gigantic, but I still don't see any curds.  I've noticed that below about 26 degrees F, the leaves wilt and turn a dark green, but when they warm-up they perk-up and the color is normal again.

Comment by amer chohan on October 28, 2012 at 12:00pm

I have over 400 varieties of cacti. A cacti collector can understand that. Its an adiction.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 25, 2012 at 12:56pm

Sorry Amer, I'm not a cactus collector, but you did remind me of an experiment I tried a couple of years ago.  I bought a cactus pad that was meant for eating from the grocery store and saved the seeds.  I put some in the refrigerator and some in the freezer for a few months because I heard some need cold temperature before they will sprout.

I then planted them in a pot with cactus potting soil and put them by my east window.  Three of them sprouted in about 3 to 9 months.  They didn't do very well in the window, so I finally put them outside this spring and they did much better.  After a month, I planted them in the garden with lots of sand & potting soil in a large hole that I also planted my Aloe Vera in.  The Aloe Vera did very well in the east window and even flowered, but I wanted that space for something else, so it got the boot to the garden.

I've heard the Aloe Vera will die somewhere between 10 and 40 degrees F, so I plan on taking a baby one that popped-up and put it back in the east window and put a little greenhouse over the one outside.  Because the store didn't say, I don't know what variety the cactus is so don't know if it will survive, but I plan on putting the greenhouse over it also, and probably should take one one them inside as well.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 25, 2012 at 10:31am

Sentient, I'm jealous.  Too bad we don't have shows like that around here.  I would like to taste Pawpaws.  Wouldn't refuse to try everything else either, except for the apples.  Don't care for the taste of apples unless they are Crab.   To some extent, I also like apples before they are fully ripe.

Comment by Daniel W on October 24, 2012 at 9:24pm

Saturday at the Home Orchard hobbiest show.  Lots of apple and pear varieties to taste - hundreds of varieties.  Also Pawpaws (so yummy), Medlars (didn't get to taste them) and hardy Kiwis (also so yummy).  They also had some great presentations.  I may yet start a beehive after listening to the pollinator discussion.  Bought two "honeyberry" plants.  These are a fruit bearing honeysuckle popular in Japan.  It will be a few years before I get to taste them.

Comment by Daniel W on October 24, 2012 at 5:43pm

Amer, Cactus and Succulents are a lot of fun!  I have a few, Epiphyllum, Schlumbergera, and used to grow some Opuntias but have lost them.  Then various Euphorbia varieties which are in my window at work, which is hot and sunny.  Too wet here for most cacti!  

My Schlumbergera are blooming now.  Very nice!  

What are you growing?

Comment by amer chohan on October 24, 2012 at 2:11pm

I am a cactus collector. Is any one there?

Comment by Daniel W on October 23, 2012 at 12:26pm

Spud, you are right.  I don't know how far away.  My guess for most garden plants, if you can't see others from where yours are growing, it's probably OK.  Plus, some plant flowers are mostly self-pollinating.  For those it's harder to introduce "foreign" pollen.  Examples are tomatoes, peppers, beans.  For squashes, if you do the pollinating yourself and cover the flower with a paper bag, that excludes "foreign" pollen.  Otherwise it can be interesting - you can wind up with a squash-pumpkin or worse, a squash-cucumber (puash?  cuash?).  I'm not sure about those but the idea is there.  Squash-type plants are insect pollinated, so if you keep the insects out, and pollinate yourself, you can continue your personal variety.

This year I saved seeds for snow peas and bush beans that I "think" are nonhybrid.  Next year I want to be more nonhybrid varieties and be more diligent about it.  Part of that is because I want to continue gardening for a long time, and would like my own locally and personally adapted varieties.  Part is generalized curmudgeonness on my part, wanting to avoid the megacompanies that make the hybrids and genetically engineered varieties and are responsible for inferior quality national homogenization of gardening.

The pink banana squash idea is nostalgia for me.  It would add another variety to what my grandmother's sister grew, on top of her multiplier onions.  She also grew Pink Ponderosa tomatoes, but they would not do well in my climate.  I think.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 23, 2012 at 12:03pm

Sentient, I don't know much about saving seeds.  Am I correct that if you want to save seeds, you need to keep different varieties a long ways from each other or you get crosses that may not be as good?

The leaf war is amusing.  I've been tempted to take some without asking, but don't want to annoy neighbors.  I also like to ask neighbors if they use chemicals on the trees or lawn before I use their leaves.

I remember Pink Banana Squash from somewhere.  Don't know if I grew them or not, and forgot what they taste like, but do remember they're dramatic.


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