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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Squirrels.
bees.
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on September 4, 2012 at 10:25pm

Idaho, the 2 acres (I hesitate to call something so small a farm.  Homestead?) is 30 miles from my house in town, which is in an "outer suburb" area.  It's too far to commute daily to work, but close enough that I can go often.  It was a foreclosure, needed some work, and I live fairly frugally.  So I can keep both.   My house in town was also abandoned for a year and needed major work, which I did myself.  I'm too attached to the result of my efforts to give it up.  The "homestead" will gradually improve - I did have to replace the kitchen subfloor, which isn't as hard as it sounds.   And have the well and septic tank repaired, which I hired out.  

Interested in what Joan says about the lights, too.  I've seen trees here that have different growth patterns near street lights, or the leaves hang on longer in winter.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 4, 2012 at 4:51pm

Idaho Spud, excellent questions. give me some time to do a little research. Surely there are valid answers to your questions. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 4, 2012 at 4:30pm

Sentient, how far away from where you presently live is your 2 acres? I take it that you don't plan on moving.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 4, 2012 at 4:18pm

Joan/Sentient/whomever, I've got some questions related to the need for a dark period that many plants have.  I've spent quite a bit of time on the internet, but haven't found all the answers yet.

To deter burglars and other miscreants, I run 10 watt (40 watt equivalent) fluorescent lights in all my windows at night, and I wonder if the plants that are close to the windows are negatively affected by the light.  Some plants are as close as 7 feet.  The closest is a watermelon that took a long time to get going.  Of course, it was buy some mulch that some pests hid in and held it back when it was young.

I also wonder if some colors of light will affect them less than others or white.  The company that sold me my LED grow lights claim that plants only use red and blue light, not green.  That's why they only have red and blue LEDs in their grow lights.

For a while, I put green fluorescent bulbs in the windows close to my plants, but then I read some opinions that plants do use green light.

What do you guys think or know?

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2012 at 11:01pm

Joan, the half barrels worked out really well for me.  The garlic heads were the biggest I've had.  I did have to make sure they were watered.  The barrels dry out faster than in-ground.  I love the Inchellium reds. 

My multigraft Asian pear is Hamase Kojiro and one other, I think.   I do love Asian pears.  I also love the European pears, but they are harder to get the timing perfect for ripeness.  When I do, they are like eating candy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2012 at 9:51pm

It appears all these are Asian pears. the site should clarify that. 

Sentient, I like the idea of raising garlic in half barrels. I want to use the space I raised them this year for something else next year. So, tubs are a possible answer. Thanks for the idea. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2012 at 9:48pm

Asian pear pollination chart

How to use our pollination chart

  1. Potential pollen parents are listed at the top and fruit bearers are listed to the left
  2. Select the variety that you want to bear fruit from the left side
  3. If the intersecting square is green, it will pollinize
  4. If the intersecting square is red, it will not pollinize
  5. If the intersecting square is orange, it will be partially self-fertile
Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2012 at 8:12pm

Joan, thanks for the garlic update.  I raised mine in half-barrels this year and they did great.  Now that I  have more room, I want to make some raised beds.  Next weekend or the one after that.  The first ones will be for garlic and multiplier onions.

Annie T - you are right that Asian pears keep well.  Maybe - i eat all of mine before there is a chance to find out.  Most need a different variety of Asian pear as a pollinator.  I have a multigraft tre, which takes care of that issue.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2012 at 4:29pm

Bountiful Gardens - Garlic

You have to plant it in full sun. Your soil should be worked/tilled - the finer the better, but it doesn't have to be perfect! The winter will dissolve your clods eventually - I've seen great crops come from cloddy soils with plenty of vegetative "trash" present at planting (like after a corn crop). Don't plant in the same ground you grew garlic in last year.

First, break (split) your planting bulbs up into individual cloves ....

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2012 at 4:29pm

Garlic - from Bountiful Gardens 
A very easy and rewarding winter crop, garlic can be planted from now until frost.  Garlic is not planted from seed--you divide the garlic head into cloves and plant them 4 to 6 inches apart in well composted soil.  You can lightly dig over a bed  and incorporate the compost. Or, if the bed has just held a crop with lots of roots, (tomatoes, for example, ) you can just plant the garlic, knowing that as the tomato roots decay, they will open up channels for air, water, and new roots. (It is even possible to plant garlic while the old crop is still in place, since bulbs spend the first month making a good root system.)  In that case, just spread a little compost on top of the soil.

Once the garlic leaves are up, you can mulch with dead leaves, or plant a low-growing companion crops, like lettuce. This will prevent rain from compacting the soil, and earthworms will gradually drag leaves down into their tunnels, enriching and aerating the soil. (If slugs become a problem, either scatter Sluggo or pull the mulch aside and compost it). When spring comes, about the time you plant peas, harvest any remaining lettuce, (the garlic doesn't want competion at this stage) and give the garlic a boost with a nice top-dressing of compost, aged manure, earthworm castings, or other organic fertilizer. The bulbs will increase drastically in size during the last month or two before harvest, so feed them well. It's best to harvest when about half the leaves have yellowed. Usually, that is just in time for summer crops like peppers, corn or tomatoes to go into the same bed.

 

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