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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 14, 2013 at 4:36pm

Dallas, you are a real jewel! Your incredible site find, "Eating clay", reveals so many different examples of an evolved development. With your research about chalk, we have information to which our mothers and grandmothers didn't have access.

My grandmother used to tell us about her youngest son, my uncle Orville, ate coal. Her doctor told her a child who eats coal needs the minerals it contains. That would been about 1915. Folk medicine may have some credibility.

The animals  and birds shown in the film seem to have this all pretty well figured out, including predatory enemies.  

Have you ever seen butterflies or lady bugs on a seep hole? A very lovely sight we used to enjoy as kids at Lake Chatcolet in Idaho.

Butterflies at the drinking hole

Here is an interesting project:

720,000 ladybugs released

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 14, 2013 at 2:43pm
What a nice site to come to upon waking, yes, I said waking ... I didn't wake up until 11:00 AM. Oh my goodness, what a good life I have.
"It's spring. We are so excited we wet our plants!" That is what we do. And I wet my pants in the garden the other day... couldn't make it inside. Oh well, age has its advantages. I can just claim age, not senility.
Chris, your turnip green dish makes my mouth water.
Annie, I love beet tops fixed that way.
Sentient, how are you feeling? I'm thinking of you.
Amer, do you live in the mountains or on the plane? From the Google Earth, it looks like you live right o the border between mountains and plane.
My son, Craig, lives in Littleton, Colorado, right on the break between the Great Planes and the Rockies. It is a stormy place; can't decide if it is mountain weather or planes weather. Very heavy snowfall there.
Spud, how are you doing?
Comment by Plinius on April 14, 2013 at 1:38pm

Thanks for the info, Dallas! And I think she added chalk; she was a fundie who never joked, so what she told me was what she believed herself.

Comment by Annie Thomas on April 14, 2013 at 10:59am

Re: green burials

We have a wonderful green cemetery in my area.

The location is a beautiful area that surrounds a large house that is used for various events.  I've been to a few wedding out there and it is lovely. 

I spoke with a man who had just buried his mother there, and he described what sounded like the most appropriate was to say goodbye to a loved one.  His wife bathed his mother after she died, then they wrapped in a simple shroud. No tombstones are markers are allowed at the cemetery, but you are allowed to plant native vegetation.  This man chose to plant wildflowers, and he spoke of the cemetery getting ready to change their policy on what people can plant.  Many were choosing to plant magnolias, which would eventually create a forest (not good for digging graves). 

I do wonder what the policy is for people who choose to go off to medical school after death?  Something I'll have to inquire about.

I have a friend on the board who occasionally posts on Facebook about needing volunteers to help dig graves there.  Some weekend I hope it will work into my schedule.  It seems like a wonderful way to help out a family in their time of mourning.

Comment by Plinius on April 14, 2013 at 1:58am

Chalk - I'm not very sure what she used, Joan, it's so long ago that I saw my mother in the kitchen. But the idea was that some vegs (rhubarb and spinach) use the calcium from your body when your eat them, so you add some calcium to prevent osteoporosis.

I like the burial ideas, but I'm going in for short term recycling. Many people here are waiting for new organs and many die when on the waiting list.   

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 13, 2013 at 11:38pm

Neil deGrasse Tyson stops a religious troll (w/captions)

Dominic and Daniel, I like your ideas of a "green burial in a forest or meadow, no embalming, no casket, just shroud.  The trees and grasses will have minerals from my body."  

I hard a tough time finding this old video, but it makes such good sense to me. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 13, 2013 at 11:33pm

Daniel, you do not talk enough about your bees and figs and rhubarb and garden. Your garden stories delight me. Thanks for the recipe. I haven't seen my rhubarb yet, but it is in the back of the garden. I shall go look tomorrow. It is so easy to freeze. I spread out slices of rhubarb on wax paper or parchment paper on a baking sheet and fast freeze them. Then I fill glass jars with frozen slices, put them back into the freezer. Glass jars take more room than plastic bags, however I am staying away from plastic as much as possible. 

I agree with Dallas, rhubarb sauce is wonderful with yogurt. I love Greek yogurt with honey, however, it is a little too sweet for my blood sugar. 

Spud, perhaps you can try some early varieties of strawberries. There are varieties that come out that early. And like you, I love a stalk of rhubarb to eat in the garden. 

If you gently simmer balsamic vinegar until it is a syrup and pour it over the strawberries and/or rhubarb, that is ambrosia. 

Chris, you said "chalk"; like black board chalk? I sometimes use a little flour or corn starch, but only if I cook it ... it acts as a thickener. What does chalk do? 

Dominic and Daniel, I like your ideas of a "green burial in a forest or meadow, no embalming, no casket, just shroud.  The trees and grasses will have minerals from my body."  

Grandmothers come to mind for me as well. Oh the pies they could bake! Crusts as light and tender as I have ever eaten.  

I think this is the brightest spring I can ever remember; the colors just dazzle.

Well, dear friends, I hope you all have a smashing weekend, get a little fresh air, but not too much garden work. Sore muscles and aching backs do not bring any kind of joy to life. So, easy does it. 

I don't mean to bore you with this video, but I just feel so good when I watch it, so here goes:

We are the Universe (Lawrence Krauss, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan)

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 13, 2013 at 10:57pm

Oh! My garden explodes with colors. I tried to go out and do a bit of trimming, but the cold drove me in to a hot cup of coffee and tasty crumpet. Forsythia along the east fence has such a lemony color, I can almost taste it. The Star Magnolia peaked; blossoms continue to hold on. The bergenia, all children of a mother plant, bloom in the border where the skunk lives. A splendid time of year. Last year's dead flowers look like tired soldiers that want to go to their rest, and I have not the energy to lay them on the compost; maybe next month. Green everywhere, barely a spot in the garden that hasn't turned green, some of them little spring crocus, yellows, purples, blues and a blue flower called "Bright Eyes". Helleborus, all over the garden bloom white this year; I find no pinks or wine colors. The leaves begin their growth, and soon the blossoms will disappear into the leaves. Their pretty faces will turn downwards and by autumn, will have mature seeds ready to be scattered into a few bare spots.

Three more nights of below freezing forecasted, the ground will begin heating up quickly after these night frosts. 

Comment by Plinius on April 13, 2013 at 7:34am

I remember that my mother simmered rhubarb with some sugar, spices and a little water, she also put chalk in it. It was eaten as a dessert. After the rhubarb season she had a whole row of pots with preserved rhubarb.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 6:52am

Thanks for the Rhubarb Crisp recipe and taste test Sentient.  

I remember Rhubarb fondly because my Grandmother had impressively huge plants and I usually munched on a stalk when we visiter her.

I used to grow it, but the only thing I knew to do with it involved strawberries, and the two weren't ready at the same time.


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