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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Plinius on April 29, 2013 at 1:35am

That is very quick to go back to work, Sentient! Have a good time but take care!

Comment by Dominic Florio on April 28, 2013 at 10:38pm

I'm not an expert on bees, but I do know a thing or two about queens.

Comment by Daniel W on April 28, 2013 at 9:44pm

Amer, thanks for asking.  Tomorrow I return to my former full work schedule.  So I guess I'm OK.  Still have frequent  times when I feel like all of my energy has drained out.  But getting better.

Joan, I love that story of your Hollyhocks from Turkey.  It's a wonderful memory. 

Dominic, you may be right about the queen.  I'm still on a steep learning curve with the honeybees.

Comment by amer chohan on April 28, 2013 at 1:48pm

Joan, you were picking the unripened seeds, perhaps that was what angered the man.

Sentient how are you. Hope you are recovering well. Good times after horrible ones are the most memorable in our lives. Wish a very happy spring to you and your bees.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 27, 2013 at 3:01pm

Joan, I like your Hollyhock story.

Comment by Dominic Florio on April 26, 2013 at 8:16pm

Sentient, I only have a basic knowledge of bees.  I did hear though, one of those people who have bees swarm all over them, say that what they do is to hold the queen in a small wire cage.  The hive will gather all over the person to surround the queen.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 26, 2013 at 6:26pm

Women goat herders, dressed from head to foot, even in over 100∘ F. This is not my photo and not of Turkish women. But it is as close as I could get to the scene I experienced. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 26, 2013 at 6:13pm

I was surprised when I saw your photo, how it conformed to the shape of your box. I got on line and read about all kinds of bee keeping processes and I am just amazed. I saw only one that is shaped as yours, and he built it himself as well. Learning that they build from that top rod (whatever) and down is new to me. Please do keep us informed. 

Do you have the energy you need to take care of the hive? I am wrung out and only yesterday cut off last year's dead roses and trimmed them. Usually I have this task done much earlier. I am enjoying my lethargy; so many of my years were too full with raising children, supporting them and creating our home. Now, I just enjoy it all. Weeds and all. 

Of course, gardeners snip and pinch off little beginnings everywhere. If you have read my Turkey story before, you can stop reading here. 

I was in Turkey doing some research on women and their lives and stopped at a CARAVANSERAIS for lunch. These ancient fortresses stretch along the trade routes where traders with loaded camels stopped for the night, had their meals and tended their animals. They were located one day's camel ride apart. The fortifications were to protect traders from thieves. Many of them have been changed into a facility, much like our service stations, with fuel and food for man and beast. 

It was a dreadfully hot day, women herders were dressed from head to foot in heavy gabardine type material, much like we would wear to protect from wind and cold. They all wore headscarves as they tended their herds, built fires and hand made bread.

Hollyhock grew along the outside of a caravanserais; the seeds were not quite ripe, but I thought I might be able to get a plant from one. My left hand was full of seed heads, my right hand picking. A  large dark skinned man came running out of the building, grabbed my left hand, harshly turned it over, forced my fingers open and hit the back of my hand to shake free any loose seeds. He turned abruptly and ran back into the building. Stunned, I wondered what protocol I had violated. He came running back toward me with a big plastic sack full of ripe seeds and proceeded to tell me how to plant them by drawing a line in the dirt with the heel of his boot, and explaining, in Turkish, how to plant them. 
I have the prettiest garden of hollyhock, all from those seeds. 

Comment by Daniel W on April 26, 2013 at 4:52pm

Dominic,

thanks for describing your philosophy!  

I admit to have liberated a few cuttings.  Not many.  I wish I wasn't so introverted.  I doubt that anyone would say "no" to a request. I wouldn't - I would even help take select and cut the best cuttings

Most of my little fig orchard originates from cuttings exchanged via web fig forum.  

I have several plants that originated from my late parents' yard.  One type, garlic chives, grew in their yard nearly 50 years ago...  I planted them when I was a boy.  Ten years ago on a visit I saw them there and dug up a few starts for my yard.  They are an excellent addition for an insect and bee friendly yard.

The ginkgo trees in my yard all originate from collected seeds.  One is about 30 feet tall, handsome and strong.  

Rose collectors who traipse around old cemeteries to obtain starts of heritage roses, call themselves "rose rustlers".  Some irisarians do the same thing.

I've also raked a neighbors' yard, while they were away, supposedly to clean it up but I really wanted the leaves for compost.  I also did that while a neighborhood house was for sale.  People thought I was being nice.

Comment by Daniel W on April 26, 2013 at 4:40pm

Joan,

Thanks for the questions -  Here are my responses - 

As for having a swarm of bees cover a person, I don't know how that comes about.  The biggest risks I can think of would be stings in the nose, ears, or mouth.  If someone had a bee sting allergy, stings could be fatal.  If no allergy, I imagine there isn't a lot of risk, but I don't know.

The most important precautions of the beekeeper, I think, are to pay attention to the bees.  Watch them closely.  Be gentle.  Try to avoid squashing them when manipulating the beehive and combs.  

The main issue for me is I am still very much a novice.  I don't mind a few stings, but I want to be at peace with my bee colony.  If one stings, that results in death of that bee - the stinger pulls out along with some viscera - and production of a alarm phermone that tells the other bees the colony is under attack.  Then a bunch more stings, escalating the situation.   So I'll take my time.

There is also the smoker - by blowing cool smoke over and into the hive, the alarm phermones are masked, and inadvertant phermones produces by the beekeeper are masked, and they stay more calm.

That photo is of my beehive.  They are actively building comb, which really impresses me.  These creatures all know their roles, what they are supposed to do and when, they know how to find their way back to a hive that has just been moved, they know how to build perfect honeycomb, how to care for young, just amazing.

 

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