Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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Potatoes. Growing the perfect food.

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Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

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Backyard Organic Garden

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Bunga Bakawali or Tan Hua (Epiphyllum oxypetallum)

Started by Daniel W (Sentient Biped). Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 21. 13 Replies

"Healthy Soil Microbes / Healthy People"

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Comment by Idaho Spud on September 11, 2012 at 3:36pm

Thank you very much for the compliments Joan.

The temperature here hasn't fallen below 50 deg yet.  It's predicted to reach a low of 45 this week, but it's usually warmer at my place.

My cabbage and cauliflower are taking-off like gangbusters now the temperatures have dropped from the daytime highs of around 98 to 78.

Sentient, YES!  I would love some cuttings!  I'll give you my address in a private message.

I planted an Edelweiss white grape a year ago.  It had two shoots this spring, but one of them broke-off when they reached about 1.5 feet.  I think the wind did it because it's shoots are unusually brittle.  After it reached 4 feet, the top 2 feet of leaves turned yellow.  Don't know why, but the main vine is now at 9 feet and the leaves on the top 5 feet are green.

I keep my garden log on my computer.  I only started this year and don't remember to write as much as I want to, but I'll get better!  It just dawned on me that some of the things I write here can be copied and pasted into that log.

Comment by Daniel W (Sentient Biped) on September 11, 2012 at 9:59am

Mostly I use the grapes for fresh eating.  I usually share a lot of them. Grew up eating fresh grapes.  People are surprised at the flavor, not like the California and Chile - shipped grocery grapes.  I have made raisins - use a food dehydrator.  They are good that way.

I. Spud, the blog is my garden log, although a very public one.  I use it for reference to see what happened, what I thought, what worked or didn't work.  I used to do it on paper, but blog is better.

If you want some grape cuttings I'd be happy to mail you some.  That way no cost if they don't grow.  I use Pacific-NW-adapted varieties that bear with the shorter season - Price, Canadice, Interlaken, Venus.  I once chopped up grape prunings and used them for much.  Many sprouted and there were little grape vines all over the place!

Joan, that's too cold too soon!  I was looking forward to fall, so I could plant and move more fruit trees / vines / shrubs in the cooler weather.  Now I don't know!  OK, fall, here we come!

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 11, 2012 at 9:49am

It got down to 35 degrees last night in Spokane. My daughter lives 50.1 miles north of me near Newport, WA. and they had 31 degrees last night. 
Idaho Spud, you are becoming quite the horticulturalist! Your comments delight me and encourage me that gardeners are coming along behind my generation. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 11, 2012 at 8:58am

I want to reach-out, grab some, and pop them in my mouth.

I've read quite a bit on your blog (wow, you have a lot written), and I saved your paragraph about grape cuttings, as I want to try it next year.

 I'm trying a tree cutting this year from a nice-looking and delicious crab apple tree I found decorating the entrance to a new subdivision.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 11, 2012 at 12:01am

Your grapes look yummy! A nice bowl of grapes, feet up on a hassock, and munch away! Do you preserve some? 

Comment by Daniel W (Sentient Biped) on September 10, 2012 at 10:22pm

Now for some ripe grapes.  This variety is "Price" which ripens well in the cool summer of the Pacific Northwest.  It's too cool here for Concord.  These have a great sweet Grapey flavor.  They have seeds - not a problem for me, and a lot of people don't like grapes with seeds, which means more for me.  I think they have better flavor than seedless grapes.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 10, 2012 at 12:49pm

My goodness, they are voracious critters. I don't see them in my garden, but something is chewing on leaves. Whatever is eating my stuff, it is a night eater. I know there are some experienced gardeners out there that have experience and can advise me. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 10, 2012 at 12:03pm

Some people claim they don't do significant damage, but most University sites say they damage a lot of fruit, especially citrus. Found a Youtube video of one that looks like mine eating a leaf, but if I don't see them often, they probably are no threat to my garden.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 10, 2012 at 11:24am

Correction. Katydids eat plants. So, I have a new critter to watch; I thought they were my friends. Thanks for the question. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 10, 2012 at 11:18am

Idaho Spud, I didn't realize the spider/light connection. So, if I put yellow to red spectrum lights in the basement, what will the spiders likely do? 

About the Katydid, the ones I have eat insects, not plants. I hope. I don't know if there is a plant eating katydid. Let me search. 
Well, first Wikipedia says:

The diet of tettigoniids includes leavesflowersbark, and seeds, but many species are exclusively predatory, feeding on other insectssnails or even small vertebrates such as snakes and lizards. Some are also considered pests by commercial crop growers and are sprayed to limit growth. Large tettigoniids can inflict a painful bite or pinch if handled but seldom break the skin.

Some species of bush crickets are consumed by people, like the nsenene(Ruspolia baileyi) in Uganda and neighbouring areas.


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