Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 17, 2013 at 2:36pm
Spud, "When ground temp hits 40, plant peas"
" take the soil's temperature. Seed sown in soil that is too cold will not germinate; seeds that just sit in cold soil are liable to rot or be eaten by animals. These seeds are the first seeds that can be put in the ground because they germinate just as soon as the soil thaws in spring. These seeds will sprout when the soil temperature hits 40 degrees are because that's when they will germinate.

40 degrees Fahrenheit, plant peas, lettuce, onion, parsnip, spinach, beets, cabbage, broccoli, carrots, chard, parsley, celery and radishes.

50 degrees for sweet corn and turnips.

60 degrees for beans, cucumbers and okra.

65 degrees plant seeds of melons, squash, and eggplant.

70 degrees plant celery.

You can get a soil thermometer at any hardware store.

I am not a lunar planter, even though I try some years. Here is a chart to help make those decisions.

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 17, 2013 at 2:14pm

I've been eating a lot of peanuts in the last few months and throwing the shells on the garden.  However, I just realized they're salted peanuts which means those shells have salt in them which is not good for the garden.  

I'm now going to pick-up all I can and either throw them away or soak them in water to leach-out the salt.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 17, 2013 at 2:12pm

Spud, witch-hazen does look like FSM

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 17, 2013 at 2:07pm

It seems they have common ancestry from 

Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots

and then branch. 

When you wrote they were related, I didn't think so. I grew and accidentally killed a filbert and I have a very healthy witch-hazel; they don't look like each other ... at least in my estimation. 

My filbert was a Harry Lauder's Walking stick and it had very small catkins. Your catkins look huge ... there is nothing I can see in the photo to give perspective. How long are those lovely blossoms. 

If squirrels plant them, you should have a nice grove coming up. 

This is how my filbert looked before I killed the poor thing trying to get rid of mint growing under it. The mint was completely filling in the branches of the tree and I could have just grasped them out. But no! I used Roundup, thinking I was protecting the tree. Well, I got rid of the Roundup after that. 

Here is a pretty orchard I found on Google:

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 17, 2013 at 12:38pm

Interesting flowers.  Reminds me of the FSM.

Comment by Daniel W on February 17, 2013 at 4:28am

Arbor day foundation wants people to plant hazelnuts.  I didn't know that when I planted mine.  Some of my hazelnut trees are squirrel-planted.  Might bear in a couple more years.  To small now.  Moved them to better location this winter.

Can't decide if I should say "filbert" or "Hazelnut".  

They have many benefits.

I would be happy just to get a few nuts from my trees.  I planted them as a potentially compact growing part of my little mini-orchard.  Each year, the squirrels strip them bare just before they ripen.  With a larger place now, I moved them to provide some privacy and will let them grow bigger.  More nuts?  Or more squirrels?  If the latter, maybe the local hawks will be happy.

Witch Hazel-

from the classification you provided, I guess not related to hazelnuts.  Strange.  I bought a small one to plant but haven't figured out where, yet.

Pics from wikipedia.  To my untrained eye, the growth habit and leaves remind me of hazelnut.  I guess that was true for whoever named them, too.

File:Hamamelis Flower.jpg

File:Hamamelis virginiana - Köhler–s Medizinal-Pflanzen-070.jpg

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 17, 2013 at 3:38am

According to Wikipedea:
"Corylus maxima, the filbert, is a species of hazel native to southeastern Europe and southwestern Asia, from the Balkans to Ordu in Turkey.[1]"

I didn't know that.

Filbert fruit, showing the elongated tubular involucre
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Rosids
Order: Fagales
Family: Betulaceae
Genus: Corylus
Species: C. maxima


Hamamelis virginiana

Scientific classification
Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Core eudicots
Order: Saxifragales
Family: Hamamelidaceae
Genus: Hamamelis

Comment by Plinius on February 17, 2013 at 12:45am

Beautiful picture, Sentient! Here the frost is disappearing but in my roof garden it's at least 4°C higher. Nothing blooms yet, but there are some buds in the rosemary.

Comment by Daniel W on February 16, 2013 at 7:02pm

What's Blooming?  Feb 2013.  In my maritime Pacific NW yard, there's not much.  Helleborus continues to bloom.  There's one cute little weed, name I don't know, blue flower, in bloom.  Some dandelions.  The brave pioneer, is the filbert (hazelnut).


I moved these trees last fall. Guess I didn't kill them. The long sscaley catkin is the pollen bearing male flower (stamens). The little red tuft is the female flower (pistils).

I'm guessing filberts are cousins of Witch Hazel, which also blooms now.

Comment by Daniel W on February 16, 2013 at 11:48am

Annie, this type of hive has bars along the top - not in this photo - that honey bees use to hang their combs from.  It's called a "top bar hive".  It does not have frames per se.  There is less re-use of honeycomb with this hive, which means it's more sanitary for the bees.  Since they make more new comb, which requires energy, there is less honey.  Proponents think it's healthier for the bees.

Today, planning on planting some potatoes, and getting started on setup of another raised bed for vegetables.  If it is all together this weekend, some more peas, onions, and cole crops as Spud is planning.  Better get busy.


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