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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 172
Latest Activity: 9 hours ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius yesterday. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W yesterday. 2 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Plinius Apr 15. 13 Replies

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Idaho Spud on August 5, 2013 at 6:09am

Sentient, I notice the bees in my watermelon patch will visit several flowers and leave quickly before finding one to settle on.  Do you know if this is a sign that there are enough bees to deplete the nectar in most flowers, or something else?

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 4, 2013 at 10:08pm
Wonderful photos of the Fair! The goats would be a nice addition to your acreage and help keep weeds down. Nice companions for your chickens.
Comment by Daniel W on August 4, 2013 at 9:42pm

Joan that's beautiful.   I love watching the bees work the flowers.

Here's a link to photos from my visit to the Clark County Fair today in Washington State.  I liked the animals, especially the goats.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 4, 2013 at 6:33pm

This lovely bee and flower came from John Caddy today:

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 9:35pm

Spud, awesome ID on the caterpillar! 

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 5:07pm

After further investigation, I'm sure it's a Western Tiger Swallowtail caterpillar, Idaho variety.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 4:36pm

After searching another hour, it appears to be a Canadian Tiger Swallowtail caterpillar.  They are green, but turn brown just before pupating.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 3, 2013 at 3:46pm

Can anyone tell me what kind of caterpillar this is?  I've looked through 25 pages of google images so far and haven't found it.

It's 2 inches long and came crawling out of the raspberries today.  There are also blackberries in there, as well as strawberries, grapes, and a couple of herbs.

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 11:04am

Joan, I don't know if this story is apocryphal....  According to this website, the west coast owes credit or blame, for both the Himalayan blackberry and its name, to Luther Burbank.   Also discussed here.  According to the website he had exchanged seeds with someone from India, and that was the source of the plant and the name.

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 10:36am

Spud, I hope that works for you.  The reflective bubble wrap cut back my watering by half, on the hottest days.  A lot less wilting.

Randall, to me that's not just neglect, it's vandalism.  The sprayer knows damn well what direction the wind is blowing.  If you were blowing off fireworks rockets in the direction of a neighbor's house, and one landed on the roof and burned the house down, I imagine you would be arrested for arson.  To me, this is similar.

But, with the disdain in big ag for organic growing, and the lack of legal protections against big ag pollution, I would be interested in seeing the results of lawsuit.

I worry about neighbors spraying their plants with insecticides and killing bees intentional or as peripheral damage.  I'm trying to be proactive by telling people I will give them honey when it is ready.  And talking about the importance of native pollinators.

Meanwhile, now and then I give away some of our home raised eggs.  Similar reasons.


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