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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Yacouba Sawadogo, 'the man who stopped the desert'

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith 6 hours ago. 1 Reply

Stressed Bees

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Feb 12. 2 Replies

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:51pm

Don't know why that filled pot image was rotated 90 degrees, but you should get the idea anyway.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:50pm

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:42pm

Have you tried or heard of this method of starting plants in a plastic pot that's supposed to be easier on the plant when transplanting to the garden?

I tried it last year and it seemed to work well, so I'm doing it again this year and took a couple of pictures of it.

The idea is to cut most of one pot away except for the bottom and two pieces on opposite sides, just large enough to hold the contents when pulled on.  Put that cut piece in a regular pot (put drainage holes in both of course) and then fill with potting soil.  

When ready to plant in the garden, the cut-up pot has it's narrow strips peeking above the regular pot just enough to grab and pull out.  The plant & potting soil bundle can then be easily slid off the cut-up pot.

I'm not describing it well, but my pictures should give you the idea:

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 10:01am

I forgot!  This year I'm trying Brussels Sprouts for the first time in 25 years.  Also, a couple of other Cole crops.

I forgot to mention, as I do every year, I'm growing my favorite vegetable.  Peas.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 8:28am

Annie, I like that okra flower.  Close to my favorite shade of green.  I've only tried okra once or twice and didn't care for it.  I probably didn't know how to cook it.

In any case, with my limited growing space, this year I'm only growing those things I enjoy eating the most.  Blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, beet greens, onions, chives, and some herbs.

As far as trying long season, heat loving things, I'm trying cantaloups and watermelon this year.  I'm trying 4 kinds of watermelon and devoting half of the garden space to them.  

The 80 day ones will probably make it, but the 100 day ones probably won't.  However, like sentient, I like to experiment once in a while. :)

I've read a number of articles on the net about growing them, including one detailed article and Idaho grower is willing to share.  He sells the melons as well as a new kind of seed he has developed.  I'm going to buy his seeds next year.

He, and several other people say they like good drainage and sand should be incorporated into the soil if need be.  However, they don't say what size sand.  I have fine sand and course sand.  Do any of you know which kind I should use?

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 8:06am

Joan and Sentient, I like the chicken wire enclosure ideas.  

When I lived where there were a slew of robbins, I made a chicken wire enclosure to protect my strawberries, but at least one made it through.  I ran out and entered the enclosure to shoo it away, and found it funny that in it's panic to get away, it couldn't remember how to get back through the wire.  It took quite a while to escape.

So, the next time I make one, I'll make it with double wire, positioned so the hole size is reduced, or with the plastic "chicken wire" that has smaller holes.

Comment by Daniel W on May 27, 2013 at 11:12pm
Annie, that okra flower is beautiful! You are fortunate to be able to grow it.

As to will it grow here, I dont know. Raised bed should give some warmth. I planted a short season variety, Clemson spineless. Ive been feeling nostalgic and wanted to try. I break a lot of gardening rules. Once in a while Im lucky.

Joan I work until I drop. Its needed for peace of mind. Plus my parents never taught me to relax. Not the best thing but got me through a lot in life.

As to water conservation, the lawn is let go brown. Established trees and shrubs are not watered. Most plants are mulched. Some will get a straw mulch once the weather is warm. Some with multi layers. I water by hand, no sprinklers.
Comment by Annie Thomas on May 27, 2013 at 1:26pm

Sentient- Your garden looks wonderful.  I love the variety of your vegetables.  I planted my okra a little late this year, but it is doing well.  I had never before seen an okra flower, and they really are quite lovely.  They only open during the day, then close up in the evening.Good luck with your okra.  I live in "okra country" so I hope mine will do well.  I'll be interested in hearing how yours fares.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 12:01pm

Sentient, your garden looks absolutely wonderful. Where do you get the energy? I have done not one little bit of work, just sit and soak up the fresh air, sunshine, and listen to song birds. The cats that remain come daily. My neighbor picked some rhubarb and made me a loaf of rhubarb bread ...  it tastes so good. 

How are you managing water at your acreage? Any problems? 

Comment by Daniel W on May 27, 2013 at 11:47am

Somehow I think chicken wire needs to be renamed varmint wire.     Joan, your friend's cage house seems ideal - maybe I'll do that in a few years.


Moles seem to especially love freshly planted and composted  areas.  I like moles - they eat underground grubs, and are entirely carnivorous.  I can live with their little mountains in other places, but I don't want them disrupting and burying my plants shrubs and trees.  So - new trees are now planted in a hole lined with chicken wire.  I think the roots grow through the chicken wire OK.


The raised beds are constructed on a chicken wire base for the same reason.


Now I have 2 types of enclosures for rabbits and deer.  

This one is made with 6 cheap fence posts, fastened to the sides of the bed with deck screws. On one side I looped the chicken wire over screws and fastened with clothespins as a makeshift gate.

This one is tomatoes, and okra if the okra grows.

The other uses loops made from PVC pipe, held in place with short sections of rebar, like a Conestoga wagon.  On the ends, chicken wire is held in place with clothespins.  This is good for strawberries, which are favorites of deer, rabbits, and birds.  It's harder for me to get into and out of, so I think I like the rectangular shape better.

Allium-family plants are not favorites of kritters here, so don't need protection.  Onion, garlic, shallot, chives.  


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