Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Dominic Florio on March 24, 2013 at 12:18am

Anyone who wants to make the journey is welcome for lunch.  Wouldn't that be great.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 24, 2013 at 12:12am
Sentient, how exciting to have a Florida-Washington state connection of natural planting to preserve wild life refuge. I am so please to know you two fellows. You each set a high standard and one worthy of aspiring toward.
With all your fig starts, Sentient, you will have a virtual orchard and a great place for bees to restore their population. I like that you tilled up your lawn, and put in wildflowers. Surely your seeds will grow and multiply each year.
Clearing out the natural berries is quite a job ... not a task just anyone would take on. A beautiful growth of ivy can be very pretty but it can get out of hand.
How are you feeling Sentient? Getting some relaxation into your already busy schedule? I'm thinking about you and generating all the positive thoughts I can.
Comment by Dominic Florio on March 23, 2013 at 11:30pm

Joan, do an internet search and see if the fencing would suit you.  I had mine built, but I designed it.  Internet searches would give you ideas.  To be honest, I designed mine on my own, based on what I had seen in zoos.  You can have whatever type fence you like, but the top must tilt in, so that a climbing cat cannot get over it.  Another idea is to have the fence of your choice, but to line the perimeter with the "invisible fence".  The cats wear a color which gives a shock if they get close to the wire.  I like the tilted in top the best, but as I said, it can be bought or made to fit any fence. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 23, 2013 at 11:06pm
Dominic, I am really impressed. The way you combined textures and scaffolding of trees and shrubs looks so natural, yet not wild. To think you planted all that in six years is quite extraordinary. It appears to be natural, yet the critters have safe places to be free of the fang and claw of wild land.
You answered all my questions; except I have one more: how do you design a cat proof fence. I might be able to do that in my south garden.
Your design is fit for some kind of natural conservancy designation.
Comment by Daniel W on March 23, 2013 at 10:25pm

Sounds like you've created your own Eden.  Wonderful!

We are doing a Northwest variation on that theme but barely started.  Two weeks ago we tilled up some big sections of lawn and seeded over it with wildflower seeds.  Threw in some not-so-wild flowers in the mix, like various poppy cultivars and snapdragons.  No idea if they will actually grow.

Some of the intent with wildflowers is attract beneficial insects, and some is to feed honeybees.  Countdown to installing hive.... 1st or 2nd week of April the bees arrive.  Everything is ready except I might not be.  Cross that bridge when we come to it.

We can hear frogs at night.  There are lots of birds.  Also plated for hummingbirds that visit frequently in the Summer.

Invasive species here:  English Ivy and Himalayan blackberries.  We pulled out all of the ivy but the blackberries are so prolific, removing them is like removing thorny kudzu.  Plus, the berries are delicious and the flowers...  more nectar for honey.  So I'm not being aggressive pulling it out.  


Comment by Dominic Florio on March 23, 2013 at 10:08pm

I have been on the property for six yrs & it is an acre and 1/2.  The house was built in 85, 2 & 2, with a stone fireplace.  The only plants in existence when I moved there was the large oaks and the woods in the background.  The field was a swamp of Brazilian Peppers (invasive species).  I had it leveled out and the original pond re-dug.  I have all sorts of wildlife including otters.  I have seen raccoons, possums, armadillos, foxes, bobcats, coyotes, hawks, skunks, all sorts of wading and song birds, hummingbirds, various owls, cottontail and swamp rabbits, flying squirrels, bats, native mice, shrews, moles, corn snakes, black rat snakes, water snakes, scarlet snakes, leopard frogs, American, Fowler, & spade foot toads, tree frogs, skinks, anoles, and a huge variety of insects, including dragonflies, and butterflies.

Every plant was planted by me and I had a couple of bad winters with freezes.  This winter was milder and I never took my orchids inside.

I am at sea level, between the Gulf of mexico and the Manatee River, but far enough away from flooding.  Our climate ranges from my pond flooding from an abundance of rain, to drought. I bough a fantastic system from Lowes called the Myster.  You attach it to your hose bib and run a line, which branches off into other lines and various sprinkler heads.  Believe me, it is simple and comes with an instructional CD.  I'm legally blind and have no trouble with it.  You can add on any time.  The squirrels like to chew it and I am constantly spraying it with oil and cayene pepper. 

I love to incorporate my aviaries and animal enclosures into the landscape so that they don't appear to look like makeshift after thoughts.

I use only clay or resin which looks like clay.  I hate plastic pots, plastic fencing, and plastic furniture.  Wood, wicker, bamboo, or metal are the only materials I like.

Joan, that plant is a bouganvilla, which is very common in the south.  The structure you are seeing is actually a solid wood gate, and a cat proof fence, which contains my six dogs, 3 cats, 2 goats, and 3 tortoises.

If I forgot anyone's questions, please remind me.

Comment by Annie Thomas on March 23, 2013 at 9:55pm

Ha ha Dallas!  We don't have it in Florida either.  But thank you Joan.  I have never heard of graupel.  I will find a way to ask my students about this.  They'll have fun figuring it out. 

Comment by A Former Member on March 23, 2013 at 9:26pm

Well you learn something new every day. We don't have graupel in Texas. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 23, 2013 at 9:19pm
Ooppss, I misspelled it. Graupel is snow, not hail; it is round, soft and easily squeezed.
"Definition: Graupel forms when snow in the atmosphere encounters supercooled water. In a process known as accretion, ice crystals form instantly on the outside of the snow and accumulate until the original snowflake is no longer visible or distinguishable.
The coating of these ice crystals on the outside of the snow is called a rime coating. The size of graupel is typically under 5 millimeters, but some graupel can be the size of a quarter (coin).

"To tell the difference between graupel and hail, you simply have to touch a graupel ball. Graupel pellets typically fall apart when touched or when they hit the ground. Hail is formed when layers of ice accumulate and are very hard as a result.

"Also Known As: snow pellets, soft hail, small hail, tapioca snow, rimed snow, ice balls"
Comment by A Former Member on March 23, 2013 at 8:51pm

I was wondering that same thing. Never heard the word gropple before.


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