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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Stressed Bees

Started by Patricia. Last reply by Patricia Feb 12. 2 Replies

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2013 at 1:30pm

My friends who are organic gardeners and sell produce at the farmers' market, are retired highschool math teachers; about 20 years ago, they built high fences surrounding their cash crops, and built frames to hold "pig" wire around their fruit trees and grapes. Now they are both getting older, not able to work hard, and they are doing the same thing you and I are doing, Sentient. Everything is already built, the watering system is soaker hoses on timers which they plumbed in years ago.

We just have to spend those "productive" years doing the hard work so we can be less physically active in our "golden" years. I must say, I am enjoying these years more, in some ways, than those perspiring, aching muscle years. It was interesting to design and create, but I really do enjoy just sitting and watch it all happen. 

We used to have a "Harvest Feast" with our monthly cooking group at their place; they had it set up like a farm harvest with picnic tables and benches. For appetizers, we wandered through the garden, picking and eating as we strolled. Then we created a huge meal of cooked veggies and fresh fruits with home-made breads. Oh, those were the years. 

Being math teachers, we had wonderful times with fractals when we were not feasting. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 12:38pm

Sentient, I'm jealous of your harvest again.  I've been getting strawberries for the last few days, but I pick them 2 or 3 days before they're fully ripe because if I don't the squirrels, birds, and ants get them.  I've been too busy preparing watermelon soil to do anything about the strawberries.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 12:33pm

The noisy can deer deterrent does look like a good idea.  It may be a deterrent for other skittish animals as well.  I'll try to remember it if I move to a place with deer. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 23, 2013 at 10:42am

Joan, thank you for the research!  The cat food can idea looks very promising.  Much easier than fencing.  The concrete reinforcement wire also looks easier than what I've been doing. 

I use 4 fence posts, 7 feet tall, place them in a square around the tree, and use 5 foot tall wire fencing to make a cage around the tree.  One side is held shut with clothespins, so I can get into it.  Once constructed, it is reasonably easy for me to get into, and not much maintenance.  Weeding is  bit of a hassle but not bad.  This would not work for the garden beds - too big.  The cat food an idea is more workable.  Plus, my cat will have more purpose in life, by providing the cans.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2013 at 1:27am

I know what you mean about not having energy. 
My friends who live in the country use this type of protection:

Protect Fruit Trees from Deer

Here is an idea that the gardener claims works for him, is cheap, and not labor intensive. 

How to Keep Deer Out of Your Garden. DIY...easy, fun and cheap!

Comment by Daniel W on June 22, 2013 at 11:39pm

Joan, yes, those fruit were from today.  Still a lot of raspberries and some strawberries in the yard.  Then is a lull, then we should get plums and figs. 

Deer ate leaves and branches from the young apricot trees and pear trees.  They should still do OK as long as that's all the deer eat.  Today I sprayed with some very stinky spray - "Liquid Fence".  We'll see!  Fencing works well, so far, but I don't have the energy to cage those trees.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 22, 2013 at 11:07pm
This just in from DripWorks. a nice article on garlic growing instructions.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 22, 2013 at 10:25pm
Sentient, are these photos of your harvest? My gosh, you are ahead of us. Have you had cold and wet weather as we have? Don't even want to go out.
I have been thinking of ways to keep critters out of your orchard in ways that do not cost money and too much effort. Sorry, nothing comes to mind that we haven't already discussed. I just love your gardening with an older body site. Just so chuck full of information. I have only tapped into the resources. Makes for great wet, cold summer days.
Comment by Daniel W on June 22, 2013 at 6:23pm

Joan, thanks for the info!  Doing some planting today, so will keep that advice in mind.  Deer browsed through this week, eating apricot leaves and pear leaves.  They tasted the top of a Jerusalem artichoke, and apparently didn't like it.

This is today.  The best crop I've had from this tart cherry tree.

And some other fruits, sweet cherries, strawberries, raspberries, and those tart cherries.  Someone's going to have a cherry pie tomorrow.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 22, 2013 at 2:57pm

Dallas, so THAT is what is popping up all over the garden. It is raining today, and cold, but that will be my next chore ... wear long sleeves and gloves, eradicate the demons with gusto. If they go to seed, everyone will be in trouble because of their speedily spreading habit. 


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