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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 173
Latest Activity: 14 hours ago

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud 15 hours ago. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud on Monday. 17 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Daniel W on November 3, 2013 at 9:16pm

Just checking on plants for next year.  Found what Burpee claims is a short season dwarf okra, suitable for containers.  That might make okra a doable plant for this cool summer climate.

This year I started some indoors and some in a raised bed.  I read okra can't be transplanted.  It turned out, the direct-seeded ones germinated but never grew beyond about 4 little leaves.  The transplanted ones grew to about a foot tall, and I got all of 6 pods on 4 plants!  They were good!

I must be crazy, already planning for spring.  Still, it's better than actually doing something!

Comment by Randall Smith on November 3, 2013 at 8:10am

Sentient, I love that mystery iris! My flowers are yellow and purple (together). I've read to use mouse traps for voles (which I've never used). Instead, I put out poison pellets near their dens and runs. I think I need a truck load for next year!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 3, 2013 at 2:04am

My spell checker replaced Monarda with Miranda and I didn't notice. 

Comment by Plinius on November 3, 2013 at 1:32am

I love that iris, Sentient!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2013 at 11:50pm

I used to grow Jerusalem artichokes, and got tired of keeping them under control. That was before I had boxes. I was able to dig them all out and they haven't come back. I will try them this spring in a box and see what happens. My Miranda has completely taken over one box and that is fine with me. It is easy to keep seedlings pulled that grow outside the box.

I got about 30 minutes in the garden yesterday, and even with winter chore gloves, my fingers got too cold and I came in. We have cold, wet, wind today and expect more tomorrow. There are a few experiments I am working on in my south facing window.  

Comment by Daniel W on November 2, 2013 at 11:14pm

Joan I think I will move the Jerusalem artichokes to a different location where I will give them more compost much and water.  I read they are next to impossible to get rid of.  One writer stated they would survive a nuclear explosion.  I don't think they are that tough.  But I want them to thrive, not just survive.

That iris surprised me.  The variety is called "Sunny Disposition".  I bought it mail order from a catalog about 13 years ago.  It's pretty tough but never bloomed in fall before.  Multiplies fast.  I've given away lots of rhizomes.  Nice fragrance.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2013 at 11:10pm
Oh my gosh! that beautiful yellow iris! What a treasure!. Yes, my witch hazel is in full bloom and much earlier that ever. Your maple compost pile is a goldmine and will repay you mightily. Will you put a few Jerusalem artichokes in boxes so it will be easier to keep grass pulled out?
Comment by Daniel W on November 2, 2013 at 6:19pm

Joan I'm back to work.  I have to continue, so might as well jump in feet first.  Today I rest, tomorrow do online work so when I am back to the office on Monday it's not too backlogged.

Today I raked leaves.  We have a big maple, trunk diameter is greater than moth of my arms spread out.  So I'm guessing over 6 ft.  It makes a lot of leaves.  I view that as a harvest, not a chore.  I made a big pile.  They will sit there through the winter and become dark brown and crinkly, partially composted.  Then They'll be mulch for trees and shrubs.

I mowed part of my little orchard, then it started to rain.  The grass clippings go for mulch, this time around a row of buddleias I planted last winter.  They grew like crazy.  They are sterile hybrids - the standard buddleia is an invasive weed in maritime NW but these don't make seeds.  They are one of the few things still blooming.

Except this bearded iris, which is kind of confused about when they are intended to bloom.

Joan, I'm surprised your witch hazel is blooming.  I thought they waited for late winter.  Nice surprise!

Randall, I don't know what to do about voles.  Something chewed on a couple of my young fig saplings already.  Last year the animal waited until december.  I wrapped them in tree wrap, then put a  sleeve of hardware cloth around each.  We'll see if that helps.

I dug up a couple of Jerusalem artichokes today.  Any I don't dig up will come up next year, from what I read.  They didn't have much of a chance - no water all summer, and the grass took over.  But there were some nice tubers.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 2, 2013 at 7:31am

Wind and rain pretty much ruined autumn colors here (IN), although my red maple tree remains a gorgeous orange-gold. I'm debating on whether to dig up my beets, parsnips and carrots, or cover them with leaves. They "winter through", but are eaten by worms and voles. There's gonna be an all-out war on voles next year! (Check out my coming blog post on a book review.) 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 1, 2013 at 1:51am

Daniel, how are you feeling after your adventure? Are you back to work already? 

My Witch Hazel is in full bloom and just outstanding. The leaves are off most of the trees, leaving this shrub/tree standing in all its yellow glory like a breath of autumn ... a surprise when everything else is going to sleep. 

The leaves on my star magnolia turned a very nice brown, with just a tint of magenta. None has fallen; it is just across the walk from the Witch hazel and they make a lovely pair.  

Winds have pretty much swiped through the deciduous shrubs and trees, leaving the empty branches prepared for winter's snow. We haven't had snow, but several nights of killing frost.  

Thanks for book recommendations, Randall and Daniel; they are on my to-read list. The long, cold winter has begun with those harsh cold winds; snow will probably be here by Thanksgiving.  


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