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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Idaho Spud on September 3, 2013 at 4:32pm

Joan, I loved how you started the preschoolers and others growing good things to eat.  Brought tears to my eyes.

Good idea, keeping track of the first frost date.  I'm going to try to remember to do that.

I remember you saying last winter that you loved that relaxing time of year, and asked us if we agreed.  I didn't respond because I don't like winter anymore.  Most of my life, I've enjoyed doing things indoors during the winter, but for the last decade or two, I've not been able to get myself to exercise, and I put on weight, my blood sugar starts getting in the red, and I feel miserable.

However, with my new-found ambition and control of the amount of food I eat, I'm hopeful I can keep it up this winter.  I've lost 37 pounds of fat in the last 4 months, and feel much better than in the 2 decades before that.  So, I'll probably agree with you this winter.

Oh, I just now hear the rain on the roof again, so I'm going up & out to see how much.  Bought 3 more 32 gallon containers today that were reduced from $15 to $10 each.  Maybe I'll get to use them this afternoon to store more rain water.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 3, 2013 at 1:05pm

Spud, we would make a great team, with our bald heads. I, too, do not like hair on my face or ears or neck and when I shaved my head in support of a friend going through chemo and a bald head, I liked it short so never did let it grow very long. I am happy with that short cut and will continue happily. 

OH! DEAR! maybe it is my house dust that causes the runny nose! I use the excuse that dust is really star dust and I don't want to disturb the universe. Maybe I do want to disturb dust mites. Oh well, I am resilient. 

Glad to hear your melon turned out to taste good, even with its limited grow space. Isn't it wonderful how plants adapt to whatever they have and can still produce. I wonder if it will reproduce from seed? If a hybrid, probably not. 

Yes, I have been feeling much better and grateful to have the hard stuff behind me. No, I don't expect the next protocol to be as difficult. My cousin had radiation for her breast CA several years ago and she said the only side effect was fatigue. The staff at Cancer Care Northwest reported the same expectation. So, this will be easy. I expect it to end on Oct 18. 

My calendar shows that we had a first killing frost on Oct 4, 2012, and on Oct 8, 2011. I turn off my water and have the pipes blown near Oct 1, so my gardening will be done except for the fall clean up. I love that time of year.


Comment by Joan Denoo on September 3, 2013 at 12:48pm

Sentient, thank you so much for the encouragement. It will take time and effort, but HEY! anything that is worthwhile requires time and effort.

I look like a clown with a bald head, running eyes and nose, red skin. Cary and I had dinner out the other afternoon and a little girl in a highchair looked at me and asked her, I assume, parents to look. We all laughed, and it was so much fun. I asked her if she wanted to rub my head and she did. Now, how can life get any better than that?

Your menus and recipes sound scrumptious! How nice to have the Asian influence in your eating, with all the lovely sauces and flavors. I would not have thought of putting cucumbers on cold noodles with peanut sauce. I didn't get a cuc at the grocery store the other day because nothing looked good. The green beans looked ... feeble! I came home with things I am required to eat. NO MORE! I shall fix all those wonderful veggies with things I can digest and that taste good.


Comment by Joan Denoo on September 3, 2013 at 12:38pm

Stacking Complimentary Enterprises On Existing Farms

Opportunity abounds for young people in this modern political and economic turmoil. The old saying, "Find a need a fill it" is as true today as it was in 1929. Here is a fellow who talks about opportunities in farming, a great idea, especially with the cost of farm land so high and out of range of a young family. 

Joel Salatin discusses "stackable farming" and that makes good sense, although I see it from an urban or suburban family's perspective who has low wages with not enough income to feed a growing family. With all the new technology, that doesn't have to be expensive, things can be grown under lights or in windows.

It amazes me how few young families grow gardens in their yards. Many have grass that is expensive to maintain and a lot of work, while a patch of ground can be a growing green groceries right in front of one's house.  The tasks can include the youngsters who like to play in the dirt and with worms, anyway. Use that energy to grow the best tasting carrots and lettuce, cabbage, and whatever tickles one's taste buds.  

I taught at Valley Green Housing Project in Anacostia, a suburb of WA D.C., in 1968. It was a complex of eight multistory housing for single heads of households on welfare. I started digging up the barren packed earth in front of one building where my classroom was housed. Before I could bat an eye, the preschoolers joined me, thinking I was playing. Well, we played and played until the ground was turned over, and raked smooth. I strung lines for rows, used the side of a hoe to create a furrow, and started planting seeds. The preschoolers leaped to the task. eager to imitate what I was doing. We watered it all in and fenced it off with string, and I told them that if they didn't walk on it or dig in it, there would be some wonderful things rising from the ground. They watched, waited patiently, followed my instructions, most of them did, and before you know it, they were eating radishes, lettuce, carrots and all kinds of other tasty things.

The interesting thing that happened, occupants of the seven other buildings started turning the dead, barren, packed dirt in front of their buildings, and by the next year, Valley Green Housing Project was filled with community grown vegetables and fruits. It was an idea that caught on and gave children and grown up pride.  

They were not helpless! They were not entirely dependent on others! They benefited by the fruits of their labors! They had no reason to complain about being poor because they could do something to ease the frustrations of not enough money!

Comment by Daniel W on September 3, 2013 at 11:17am


You will defeat this!  Those rogue cells don't have a prayer!  Not that prayer would do them any good, if they did.....  Then you will be out puttering again and enjoying nature and your garden!

We eat the tomatoes out of hand.  Once in a while I make a BLT although with vegetarian bacon.  My partner uses the cucumbers as a stir fry vegetable, or chops them and puts them on top of cold noodles with a peanut sauce.  The beans are a North Chinese variety - I don't know the name - I haven't seen them any where else.  Sort of like Romas beans.  He cooks those with potatoes and onions and garlic, all home grown. The thyme is good on cheese and cracker, but mostly it's because I just like growing herbs, and pick them to smell them.

Spud - I was surprised at the melon!  It is either the Idaho variety, or a yellow small variety.  I will know when we cut it open.  Maybe your container melon benefited from its potting soil.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 3, 2013 at 7:57am

Nice plate of vegies Sentient.  I was just going to ask about your melons.  Glad to hear you may get some.

I had a pleasant surprise a few days ago.  I had a watermelon plant still in a container of potting soil because I was so busy with other things I never got it planted.  It had grown a 6-inch melon, and it split open.  I decided to see how it tasted before the ants found it, and amazingly enough, it tasted good.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 3, 2013 at 7:51am

Joan, I look similar to you.  Hair has always bothered me.  When it touches my forehead or ears, it drives me crazy.

I started cutting it shorter as I took less notice of what society thought, and finally, after I retired, I shaved it all off every day, even the eyebrows, because they itch if I don't.

I also like the bald feeling on my pillow better than hair, for some reason.  It's also easier to clean my head.  Just a wet washcloth.  

I've noticed that when I had hair, I would sometimes get sores under the hair, but now I hardly ever get any up there.

Nose and ear hair also itch, so I pull them out, although sometimes I use a nose-hair trimmer.

Eyelashes don't bother me, so I don't bother them, and hair on the rest of my body doesn't bother me for some reason.

It's funny, but my nose runs most of the time also.  I'm allergic to house dust.  

Well, that's probably way more than you wanted to hear.

Sounds like you've got a ways to go in your treatments and bad days.  I assumed they were over because you sounded like you were feeling much better for the last couple of weeks.  Take care.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 11:19pm

Daniel, your plate of freshly harvested vegetables looks so good. I think bringing those in would get my appetite going. Nothing tastes good to me these days except mineral water.

Your tomatoes, beans, thyme and perhaps a cucumber tucked in there looks delicious. What kind of dressings do you make?

How are you feeling? Getting some energy back?  Thinking about you every day!

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 11:14pm
Spud, I have my last chemo on Wed ... it will be the four hour one, and it wipes me out for a day or two. I start radiation the following week, five-days a week for six-weeks.
A tiny bit of fuzz sprouts, and I wear the side hair off my head on the pillow. So I have kind of modified Mohawk of white short fuzz. It isn't coming flaming red and with tight curls as I had hoped. My eyelashes are totally gone and most of my eyebrows. I look ridiculous.
The chemo causes my nose and eyes to run so I have a constant film of moisture flowing down my face. The poor skin looks forward to a holiday from all the tears and nose drip. A red rash develops that a very nice lotion eases.
I agree about the benefit of acidic rain, especially now that there has been a reduction of sulfur going into the air. I understand it was toxic sulfuric acid for a period of time, but no longer, except downwind of major polluters.
Plants that do well in alkaline soil can be found here:
Plants for Alkaline Soil
Comment by Daniel W on September 2, 2013 at 9:33pm

From today.

Looks like there will be a couple of melons after all. And a taste of okra. I'm happy about that.


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