Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 170
Latest Activity: 38 minutes ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Randall Smith on June 1, 2013 at 7:14am

To Joan: I followed up on your "googling". I think the one gal had voles. Nobody mentioned that vermin. I've got 'em. But I'm betting on rabbits for my problem. Fences are working. I've never heard of borage--but then again, I've never heard of a lot of things! Thanks.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 11:08pm

The dietitian recommended free range chickens and showed reports that reveal the difference between free range and caged chickens i yoke content. It was amazing. I have been buying free range for several years, but I would like to see the source of my eggs. Will contact people tomorrow for more information. We have a wonderful organic shop and I know they will lead me to information.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 10:24pm

Sentient, Borage is a wonderful plant. The bees and hummingbirds visit, huge bumble bees love it. it has a delightful blue flower. When it goes to seed in the fall, just pull the plant,  give it a good shake where you want next year's growth, compost the plant and let nature take over. It grows about two feet wide and high, on somewhat flimsy stems. They flop over in a rain storm. 

It is a perfect plant for a natural setting. If the plants get messy looking, just yank them out, compost them, and save at least one growing for seed stock. 

Comment by Daniel W on May 30, 2013 at 9:22pm

Joan, I have some borage seeds, just need to find a place to plant it.  I think it grows pretty large.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 11:54am

I Googled "hot pepper to stop vermin eating brassicas"

Organic Gardening- Natural Pest Prevention and Control

here is one plant to use as companion plant, and there many others offered. 

  • Borage is a great companion for tomatoes and cabbage as it repels both tomato horn worm and cabbage moths. It also helps strawberries and is beneficial to practically everything in the garden. I plant throughout.
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2013 at 11:48am

Here is a link I found by Googling, "Brassicas, something eating leaves."

IDigMyGarden Forums > Squashing Pests & Problems > Brassi...

It mentions rabbits, slugs, mice, aphids, gophers, rats. 

The remedies offered: cats, pet snakes, cam corder, motion detector sprinkler, and others. 

Comment by Randall Smith on May 30, 2013 at 7:05am

Dang rabbits! They have a nose--then taste--for brassicas. My cauliflower starts totally disappeared, Br. sprouts and broc. defoliated. I've fenced, garlic sprayed, covered--all to no avail. Next is either a dog (who will tear up the garden) or a gun (not). Guess I'll just have to accept the inevitable. 

Comment by Daniel W on May 29, 2013 at 9:27pm

Patricia, that's great!  You are way further north than I am.  So maybe I can replicate some of your success!  

Does he have the peppers and muskmelons in the ground yet?  I planted peppers in a barrel 3 weeks ago - warmer - and some in a raised bed last week.  Muskmelons are just getting started.

Comment by Daniel W on May 29, 2013 at 4:31pm

Joan, beautiful pictures!

So observant regarding how the spiraling pattern resembles the golden mean.

If my broccoli doesn't work out, I'll feed the leaves to the chickens.  Then I get to eat it as eggs.  

Spud, Chinese chives have a more garlic flavor.  They are also called garlic chives.  They are not as delicate texture as regular chives.

My bok choy went to flowers before there was enough bok choy to eat.  I was going to pull that out for chicken food, but honeybees are all over the flowers, so they must like them.

The other brassicas are also failing to do much.  Maybe wrong time or wrong climate.  

I'm planting swiss chard again.  Maybe it will do better.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 29, 2013 at 9:54am

The Golden Mean in plants

Plants and Fibonacci Numbers

A Fibonacci number

1 + 1 =  2

1 +  2 = 3

2 +  3 =  5

3 +  5 =  8 

5 +  8 = 13


Fibonacci numbers 


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