Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 15, 2013 at 7:15am

Thanks for the clay antidote video Dallas.  Very interesting.

Comment by Plinius on April 15, 2013 at 1:31am

Thanks Dallas, that was good info! Like Joan says, our mothers didn't have access to information and merely followed tradition. I know my mother was put in a job when 12 years old - from that time she read nothing except a bible and an antique cookbook. How lucky we are!

I enjoyed the film very much, lots of info there!

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 14, 2013 at 5:49pm

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 14, 2013 at 4:36pm

Dallas, you are a real jewel! Your incredible site find, "Eating clay", reveals so many different examples of an evolved development. With your research about chalk, we have information to which our mothers and grandmothers didn't have access.

My grandmother used to tell us about her youngest son, my uncle Orville, ate coal. Her doctor told her a child who eats coal needs the minerals it contains. That would been about 1915. Folk medicine may have some credibility.

The animals  and birds shown in the film seem to have this all pretty well figured out, including predatory enemies.  

Have you ever seen butterflies or lady bugs on a seep hole? A very lovely sight we used to enjoy as kids at Lake Chatcolet in Idaho.

Butterflies at the drinking hole

Here is an interesting project:

720,000 ladybugs released

Comment by A Former Member on April 14, 2013 at 2:56pm

@ Chris: Well, you would know. Still, that leaves me curious as to why she would do it. I thought perhaps I'd see what I could find online. I was thinking chalk must surely be made from limestone, which indeed it is: 

Chalk (pron.: /ˈɔːk/) is a soft, white, porous sedimentary rock, a form oflimestone composed of the mineral calcite. Calcite is calcium carbonate or CaCO3. It forms under reasonably deep marine conditions from the gradual accumulation of minute calcite plates (coccoliths) shed from micro-organisms called coccolithophores. It is common to find chert or flint nodules embedded in chalk. Chalk can also refer to other compounds including magnesium silicateand calcium sulfate.

Since it is a form of calcium, it's reasonable to assume that kitchen lore would encourage eating it if it was believed that spinach used up your existing calcium. Still, it doesn't sound very appetizing. 

Under the uses for chalk, wikipedia does not list any culinary uses, except in toothpaste and as an antacid. When I google "adding chalk to spinach" or "eating chalk in spinach" I can't find anything.

Perhaps that was just a regional thing.  

Also, all this talk about eating chalk reminds me about how animals eat clay to counteract toxins in plants, as seen in this video:

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 14, 2013 at 2:43pm
What a nice site to come to upon waking, yes, I said waking ... I didn't wake up until 11:00 AM. Oh my goodness, what a good life I have.
"It's spring. We are so excited we wet our plants!" That is what we do. And I wet my pants in the garden the other day... couldn't make it inside. Oh well, age has its advantages. I can just claim age, not senility.
Chris, your turnip green dish makes my mouth water.
Annie, I love beet tops fixed that way.
Sentient, how are you feeling? I'm thinking of you.
Amer, do you live in the mountains or on the plane? From the Google Earth, it looks like you live right o the border between mountains and plane.
My son, Craig, lives in Littleton, Colorado, right on the break between the Great Planes and the Rockies. It is a stormy place; can't decide if it is mountain weather or planes weather. Very heavy snowfall there.
Spud, how are you doing?
Comment by Plinius on April 14, 2013 at 1:38pm

Thanks for the info, Dallas! And I think she added chalk; she was a fundie who never joked, so what she told me was what she believed herself.

Comment by Annie Thomas on April 14, 2013 at 10:59am

Re: green burials

We have a wonderful green cemetery in my area.


The location is a beautiful area that surrounds a large house that is used for various events.  I've been to a few wedding out there and it is lovely. 

I spoke with a man who had just buried his mother there, and he described what sounded like the most appropriate was to say goodbye to a loved one.  His wife bathed his mother after she died, then they wrapped in a simple shroud. No tombstones are markers are allowed at the cemetery, but you are allowed to plant native vegetation.  This man chose to plant wildflowers, and he spoke of the cemetery getting ready to change their policy on what people can plant.  Many were choosing to plant magnolias, which would eventually create a forest (not good for digging graves). 

I do wonder what the policy is for people who choose to go off to medical school after death?  Something I'll have to inquire about.

I have a friend on the board who occasionally posts on Facebook about needing volunteers to help dig graves there.  Some weekend I hope it will work into my schedule.  It seems like a wonderful way to help out a family in their time of mourning.

Comment by A Former Member on April 14, 2013 at 9:37am

Nice Universe video Joan.

Comment by A Former Member on April 14, 2013 at 8:56am

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