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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Plinius 3 hours ago. 16 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 6, 2015 at 1:14pm

Thanks Barbara.  There seems to be more snow coming down than was forecast, and I hope it keeps coming.  My garden had received about 1/4 inch of water so far.

Chris, I was interested in the "wicked" plants also.  I looked at Wikipedia to find them, and was surprised.  I've forgotten or never heard about beans:

  • Kidney bean or common bean (Phaseolus vulgaris). The toxic compound phytohaemagglutinin, a lectin, is present in many varieties of common bean but is especially concentrated in red kidney beans. The lectin has a number of effects on cell metabolism; it induces mitosis, and affects the cell membrane in regard to transport and permeability to proteins. It agglutinates most mammalian red blood cell types. The primary symptoms of phytohaemagglutinin poisoning are nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Onset is from 1 to 3 hours after consumption of improperly prepared beans, and symptoms typically resolve within a few hours.[10] Consumption of as few as four or five raw kidney beans may be sufficient to trigger symptoms. Phytohaemagglutinin can be deactivated by cooking beans at 100 °C (212 °F) for ten minutes. However, for dry beans the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also recommends an initial soak of at least 5 hours in water; the soaking water should be discarded.[10] The ten minutes at 100 °C (212 °F) is required to degrade the toxin, and is much shorter than the hours required to fully cook the beans themselves. However, lower cooking temperatures may have the paradoxical effect of potentiating the toxic effect of haemagglutinin. Beans cooked at 80 °C (176 °F) are reported to be up five times as toxic as raw beans.[10] Outbreaks of poisoning have been associated with the use of slow cookers, the low cooking temperatures of which may be unable to degrade the toxin.
Comment by k.h. ky on April 6, 2015 at 12:47pm
Snow Spud. It's rain for ky all the time now! Over six inches in less than 48 hours last week. People were being evacuated by boat in some low areas. Lightning struck the GE plant in Louisville and burned it to the ground. We had a beautiful day Saturday now it's back to rain. Sigh. Wish I could get into the dirt like you all.
Comment by Barbara Livingston on April 6, 2015 at 10:07am

Chris, a friend sent me an email with various pictures of trees, the Jabuticaba was one of them.  I don't have room for another mature tree although if I did have the room I would try it. 

Since I have a little dog who investigates everything in the yard and two bunnies I let out to play occasionally I have to be careful I don't plant anything that might harm them - so "wicked" plants might be a good reference for me on what NOT to plant.

Randall, not having ever grown or even seen a Goji bush growing it has been a learning experience for me. They are still pretty floppy and I've wondered if I shouldn't be giving them some support. The label said they could get to 10' high and 5' wide. Do yours get that big?  It was my intent that they would act as a sunscreen for my bunny cage, with the edible fruit as a second purpose - keeping good permaculture principles in mind. :)

Spud, hard to imagine you getting snow - suppose to be 85 here today.  May you get all the snow you need!   

Comment by Plinius on April 6, 2015 at 9:28am

I hope the thaw sets in soon, Spud!

You're welcome, Daniel!

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 6, 2015 at 9:19am

Here comes the snow, dutndodo, here comes the snow, and I say, it's alright.  

At least it's better than nothing.

It just started snowing, and I like it because I've had very little H2O this winter.  But, not much snow and rain is predicted for this week either. :(

Comment by Daniel W on April 6, 2015 at 8:52am
Chris, thank you for the book review. Very interesting.
Comment by Daniel W on April 6, 2015 at 8:51am
I let moles do their thing. Moles are carnivores, eating little underground kritters, bugs, worms, caterpillars. They are messy but have a benefit. Also voles can use mole tunnels and voles are the destructive herbivores that chew plant stems and roots. I get a lot of vole damage. They have killed some nice trees. Unfortunately they dont eat blackberries here. NW blackberries can grow 10 feet high and make impenetrable thickets. I cleared out a couple hundred square feet of blackberries last weekend. Now my arms are covered with scratches.

Vole vegetarian. Mole meat eater.
Comment by Randall Smith on April 6, 2015 at 8:30am

Barbara, I seriously doubt if I get any fruit from the chewed down blackberry canes. Next year I'll fence them in.  My mole trap is supposed to kill them with spring loaded spikes. My usual method is to tramp down their runs and patiently wait for movement, then shovel them up and bang them on the noggin (sorry).  I have pesky voles, too. Not so easy to catch.

I think my goji plant is dead--no buds seen. :(

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 5, 2015 at 11:48am

Oooh, those Tayberries made my mouth water.  I think I'll plant one of them and other kinds of berries where my blackberries are now.

The kind of blackberries I have now are not the ones I remember loving so much.  These are not near as good.

Comment by Plinius on April 5, 2015 at 11:43am

I've enjoyed this book very much: http://www.amystewart.com/books/wicked-plants/ and realized that very many dangerous plants live in America. But there are enough plants to poison to your heart's content over here too. No, I have no plans, but I enjoy the info and the book is well written and beautifully illustrated.

 

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