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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by k.h. ky on January 23, 2015 at 9:04am
I took two ripe peaches off a tree last year that I transplanted out of the compost heap. It always surprises me when that happens. The tree was only three years old too!
Comment by k.h. ky on January 23, 2015 at 9:02am
Joan, most areas can be used for growing something. Holes can be enlarged and soil amended. I've found that putting the right plant in for the soil conditions is key. As it is true for every place. I often want a tree in a spot the will only support an ornamental grass so I adjust.
I planted a dwarf Japanese grass three years ago that has remained dwarf. It never gets taller than two feet. I like to experiment. I start a lot of plants. I trade and give away a lot too.
Comment by Daniel W on January 23, 2015 at 8:52am
I dont know the answer to planting in clay solis but I hace a few thoughts. If there are trees snd shrubs around, they must have done ok with the clay. I read that most clay is mineral rich, and good nutrition for plants if the drainage issue is solved.

Most garden experts now recommend, do not fill with amended soil or compost, just use the same soil that came from the hole, and mulch with leaves, straw, or similar.

If other trees are doing fine, that is a hopeful sign.
Comment by Randall Smith on January 23, 2015 at 8:22am

I'm still wondering why my avocado won't sprout. I'll google it. My radishes ARE sprouting, however!

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 23, 2015 at 3:36am

Growing Food With Zero Heating In Massachusetts' Winter

This man is growing watercress and figs in Massachusetts even as the winter gets -7degrees F without heat in a hoop house using solar powered aquaponics and insulation. He thinks climate change is real and he may be growing avocados and citrus fruit. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 23, 2015 at 12:17am

I forgot to send the video. 

7 Food Forests in 7 Minutes with Geoff Lawton

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 23, 2015 at 12:15am

Barbara, in this video, Geoff demonstrates how to create a food forest. He starts with a hugelculure, planted with legumes first and then he goes through each year of what needs to happen. I think his last year is the seventh. 

By building on top of the clay, and starting with things that will create healthy soil and organisms, going through different phases and when he is done his hugelculture is not only rich soil, but the clay below it is transformed into good growing soil. 

I don't see any of his many demonstrations as applying to clay soils, he does specify how to build a desert degraded by over cultivating and goats eating the wrong things at the wrong times and damaging the soil. 

I have had experience with rabbits. I had a portable fence that I moved around my garden and they did a beautiful job of mowing the grass and fertilizing as they went. I put them in hutches at night. We had a problem with dogs jumping our fence and digging under it. They killed one of my rabbits. I had to keep an eye on what was happening in the garden, but at that time, I was a stay at home mom and it didn't matter. They are wonderful for so many reasons. They can be house trained as well. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 22, 2015 at 11:36pm

Kathy, were you ever able to get the clay into good growing soil? I know it takes breaking the clay up, manually, and adding lots of leaves or compost. I like the idea of permaculture of laying down cardboard, then a huge pile of leaves on top. Leave it for a year, and then till it. 

I've never done it that way, but it makes sense. If we can get the earthworms working, they do the job of penetrating the clay and breaking it up. It takes longer, but it makes sense. Especially if one plans to live on the site for many years. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 22, 2015 at 11:32pm

Back to the subject ... you need a hole that drains; I don't know how fast it should drain and the extension agent should be able to tell you. 

I am so inspired by your ambition and ideas. It is as though you open a new door and find it inviting to go through and see what you can experience. Thank you for sharing this will us.!!

I Googled "how to plant a tree in clay" This is what I got 

Hardpan gardening.

"I made the mistake of planting fruit trees in "bowls" that held water, when we move here. Lost every one of them within a year or two. Now, when I plant a tree or perennial shrub I loosen the soil over an area much larger than the "normal" recommendation for the planting hole. Then shovel out the loosened soil. Use a tiller to break up that bowl wall so it's not just like a slick bowl. The wider tilled area gives more space for the young roots to more easily penetrate, especially with trees that don't have a long tap root. For many mature trees, the majority of the roots are in the first foot of soil, with the feeder roots much closer to the surface. 

"I'd also like to recommend that you check with your county extension service forestry service, and state university. Often they have the best advice for soil conditions in your area. Your soil may need an amendment that wouldn't apply in my area, for example. And, be sure to get a soil test. Depending on your area, it's likely that you'll need to add lime."

NCLee

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 22, 2015 at 11:17pm

Barbara, loosening the clay around the hole won't help if the water cannot drain away. You would be making a larger bucket. You need a hole in the bucket. Remember that song by ??? "There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza; there's a hole in the bucket dear Liza. Well fix it Henry, dear Henry fix, fix it. .....I can't remember his name!

 

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