Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W 15 hours ago. 2 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on May 28, 2013 at 4:46pm

I've never grown watermelon either.  Last winter I got over-enthusiastic and ordered seeds of an Idaho variety - Blacktail Mountain -  that is claimed to do well in short cool summer areas.  Similar for a Minnesota cantaloupe - small melon, plant can be grown in containers ("Minnesota Midget") .  Just need to prepare a place to plant them....  At some point, I'll be done building raised beds and can relax more.  The "big plan" is for 2 or 3 more raised beds then I'm done with infrastructure.

For mildew and aphids both, I've had good success with neem oil.   It works great on roses and grapes, any way.

Spud the container is a great concept!  Will have to give it a try.

Annie, great concept with the Okra.  I do like in in a soup or stew or fried....   A couple of other varieties are listed in Seed Savers as tolerant of cool short summers.  The package states ready in 50 to 64 days.  If it takes 50% or 70% longer, I might still get some.  Never know without trying!  Similar for the cantaloupe, 60-75 days, developed for Northern gardening.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 4:15pm

I know the problem. Spray with chemicals, or milk, of olive oil, or whatever, and chewers, suckers, and mildew and virus keep coming back. My treatment is to shower the troubled areas every morning, washing off as many or as much as you can.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 3:26pm

Spud, sand helps to drain water away from the roots. If you create a little mound of garden soil, toss on a bucket of sand, course or medium, with a small canal all the way around the mound so you can soak water into the base, you should have fewer problems with mildew, critters, and will not overwater. 

I can't grow cantaloupe or watermelon at my place 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 28, 2013 at 3:01pm

Spud, you will really enjoy growing Brussel sprouts. They are so pretty, they form a perfect fractal growth pattern, taste delicious, especially with a little butter and garlic. The problem is those little devils, aphids! I used spray of water with a hose every morning technique instead of chemicals. The plants stand up in a row like sunning meerkats, waiting for their morning shower. They love side-dressings of steer manure; they just soak up all those nutrients.  

Please keep us up to date on their development.

Your demonstration of potting containers is a tremendous idea. Less trauma to roots on transplant, and an easy way to get them released from the pot. Thanks.

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 28, 2013 at 1:18pm

Idaho- I love the potting idea you shared.  I'm in north central Florida, so I sow seeds right into the ground in late February.  When I build raised beds, I make them the same size as actual beds (usually full or queen).  This allows me to easily cover the beds with fitted sheets if a frost hits.The first time I did this was by accident, but it has worked out nicely for me.

Sentient- I'm growing Clemson too.  It's what they had at the feed store.

As far as enjoying okra- I used to only like it breaded and fried.  I don't like the texture when it's added to soups.  Just recently, I started tossing whole okra in a bit of olive oil, then adding a bit of salt and pepper.  I lay them on a cookie sheet and bake in a 400 degree oven for about 30-40 minutes, turning throughout the cook time.  My family really enjoys them this way in place of French fries! 

Well, the powdery mildew is back on my crook-necked squash.  I have sprayed it with a mixture of 10% milk in water and it cleared up for about a week.  It looks pretty bad and I'm not sure what to try next. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:51pm

Don't know why that filled pot image was rotated 90 degrees, but you should get the idea anyway.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:50pm

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 12:42pm

Have you tried or heard of this method of starting plants in a plastic pot that's supposed to be easier on the plant when transplanting to the garden?

I tried it last year and it seemed to work well, so I'm doing it again this year and took a couple of pictures of it.

The idea is to cut most of one pot away except for the bottom and two pieces on opposite sides, just large enough to hold the contents when pulled on.  Put that cut piece in a regular pot (put drainage holes in both of course) and then fill with potting soil.  

When ready to plant in the garden, the cut-up pot has it's narrow strips peeking above the regular pot just enough to grab and pull out.  The plant & potting soil bundle can then be easily slid off the cut-up pot.

I'm not describing it well, but my pictures should give you the idea:

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 10:01am

I forgot!  This year I'm trying Brussels Sprouts for the first time in 25 years.  Also, a couple of other Cole crops.

I forgot to mention, as I do every year, I'm growing my favorite vegetable.  Peas.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 28, 2013 at 8:28am

Annie, I like that okra flower.  Close to my favorite shade of green.  I've only tried okra once or twice and didn't care for it.  I probably didn't know how to cook it.

In any case, with my limited growing space, this year I'm only growing those things I enjoy eating the most.  Blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, beet greens, onions, chives, and some herbs.

As far as trying long season, heat loving things, I'm trying cantaloups and watermelon this year.  I'm trying 4 kinds of watermelon and devoting half of the garden space to them.  

The 80 day ones will probably make it, but the 100 day ones probably won't.  However, like sentient, I like to experiment once in a while. :)

I've read a number of articles on the net about growing them, including one detailed article and Idaho grower is willing to share.  He sells the melons as well as a new kind of seed he has developed.  I'm going to buy his seeds next year.

He, and several other people say they like good drainage and sand should be incorporated into the soil if need be.  However, they don't say what size sand.  I have fine sand and course sand.  Do any of you know which kind I should use?


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