Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 11:04am

Joan, I don't know if this story is apocryphal....  According to this website, the west coast owes credit or blame, for both the Himalayan blackberry and its name, to Luther Burbank.   Also discussed here.  According to the website he had exchanged seeds with someone from India, and that was the source of the plant and the name.

Comment by Daniel W on August 3, 2013 at 10:36am

Spud, I hope that works for you.  The reflective bubble wrap cut back my watering by half, on the hottest days.  A lot less wilting.

Randall, to me that's not just neglect, it's vandalism.  The sprayer knows damn well what direction the wind is blowing.  If you were blowing off fireworks rockets in the direction of a neighbor's house, and one landed on the roof and burned the house down, I imagine you would be arrested for arson.  To me, this is similar.

But, with the disdain in big ag for organic growing, and the lack of legal protections against big ag pollution, I would be interested in seeing the results of lawsuit.

I worry about neighbors spraying their plants with insecticides and killing bees intentional or as peripheral damage.  I'm trying to be proactive by telling people I will give them honey when it is ready.  And talking about the importance of native pollinators.

Meanwhile, now and then I give away some of our home raised eggs.  Similar reasons.

Comment by Plinius on August 3, 2013 at 10:21am

Horrible, I'd be upset and angry too!

Comment by Randall Smith on August 3, 2013 at 8:37am

Just returned from helping my daughter set up at the local farmers     market. Her husband (with help) goes to two more (Indy)--Sat. morn. I walked around checking out other stands, specifically looking for brocolli. Nary a head! The reason for seeking broc and cauliflower is "competition". See, my kids got their field sprayed with a fungicide from wind drift by a crop duster spraying an adjacent corn field. They are in the process of testing veggies before taking them to market. But that takes a long time! If contamination is apparent, they will sue. I'll keep you all informed. Obviously, they are very upset and angry.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 2, 2013 at 4:39pm

Sentient, I was just on your site and love how you insulate your black plant containers with the reflective mylar covered bubble wrap to keep them from drying out too fast.  I'm going to use it the next time.

Much better than what I thought of.  Last year, when I used black containers, I just covered them with white masking tape, which only worked partially.  I finally put them in hard foam coolers I got from the $1 store.

This year, I used white translucent plastic garbage containers from the $1 store and they let the sun in too much, so I covered them with aluminum foil, held on with aluminum tape.  That keeps the sun out, but doesn't insulate much from the hot air on the days when the temperature approaches 100.

Funny thing is, I have a roll of that reflective bubble wrap and never thought of it.  I was going to use it on my ceiling when I put 4 100-watt incandescent lamps in each fixture.  They were discoloring the ceiling from the heat.  Went to fluorescent lamps before I used it.

I thought it was interesting that you bought it to cool the roof of your bee hive.

Comment by Daniel W on August 1, 2013 at 8:57pm

Patricia, those peas look great!

This year I grew snowpeas - kept eating them off the plant.

If I am ambitious next year I would like to try shelling peas.

Joan, I could prune off the himalayan blackberries if I don't take on too much at once.  Once it is pruned back, the area could be mowed with a lawnmower and maintained as grass.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 1, 2013 at 12:14pm
Sentient, I am surprised about the naming of wild blackberries. My search continues for the history of “Himalayan blackberries" and so far find all the information from other sources contained in the site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubus_armeniacus.

Do you have the energy to control these delicious treasures?

I did find this, and I assume you have already found it. In case not, here is what I found:
“Himalayan blackberry (generally known scientifically as Rubus discolor, R. procerus or R. fruticosa, but technically R. armeniacus) is a robust, perennial, sprawling, more or less evergreen, shrub of the Rose family (Rosaceae).”
~ Controlling Himalayan Blackberry (Rubus armeniacus [R. discolor, R. procerus]) in the Pacific Northwest.

“Contrary to its common name, Himalayan blackberry (HBB) is a native of Western Europe. HBB was probably first introduced to North America in 1885 as a cultivated crop. By 1945 it had naturalized along the West Coast. HBB occurs on both acidic and alkaline soils, mainly in areas with an average annual rainfall greater than 76 cm (29 inches) at altitudes up to 1800 meters (6000 feet). It thrives and may form impenetrable thickets in wastelands, pastures, forest plantations, roadsides, creek gullies, river flats, riparian areas, fence lines, and right-of-way corridors. HBB thrives in moist but not true wetland soils, and tolerates a wide range of soil moisture.”

“Prescribed Grazing
“Chickens, surprisingly enough, are known to effectively digest (and destroy) all weed seeds passing through their crops and can thoroughly graze back vegetation in areas of up to one acre in size. Releasing chickens into an area after the mature plants are removed allows them to scratch and peck out weed seeds and potentially to reduce the weed seed bank in the soil.”
Comment by Idaho Spud on August 1, 2013 at 8:14am
Comment by Idaho Spud on August 1, 2013 at 7:47am

That reminds me of a story.  I knew a couple in a small community that said their kids liked to pick onions from the garden and eat them like apples.  I said good, even though I don't like uncooked onions.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 1, 2013 at 7:44am

Chris, that's sad.  I've probably been spoiled to some extent also. For one thing, I like ice cream better than most natural foods and almost as good as my favorites.  Nothing better than vanilla ice cream with fresh-picked huckleberries!

At least I don't support Unilever's Ben & Jerry's ice cream. Hehe.  Tried it once and wasn't impressed.  It's also expensive.


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