Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry on Friday. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston on Thursday. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on June 27, 2013 at 1:36pm


The local news article, that I saw, pretty much blamed the bumblebee deaths on neonicotinoids - today's answer to DDT as the next class of poisons to create a Silent Spring,,, Silent Summer.... Silent fall.  There was some argument the trees may have been toxic species of Linden, but my question there is, why now and not previous years when they bloomed?   I suspect the insecticides that were recently sprayed to prevent aphids from eating leaves - in this case not harmful to the trees, but they drip honeydew onto the cars.    My answer to cherry aphids is a strip of Tanglefoot around the trunk, hinders aphids and their ant "shepherds" from climbing the trunk.  I don't know if that would work on lindens.

All in all a mess, stupid behavior by poison-happy horticulturalists - but maybe will increase awareness.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:57am

50,000 Bumblebees Dead After Neonicotinoid Pesticide Use in Oregon

"an estimated 50,000 bumblebees, likely representing more than 300 colonies, were found dead or dying in a shopping mall parking lot in Wilsonville, OR. Authorities confirmed Friday that the massive bee die-off was caused by the use of a neonicotinoid pesticide, dinotefuran, on nearby trees. Then on Saturday, it was reported by The Oregonian that what could be hundreds of bees were found dead after a similar pesticide use in the neighboring town of Hillsboro."

How are your bees doing? 

Comment by Daniel W on June 27, 2013 at 10:05am

Lovely tree-lined street.  One of my favorite types of tree.  Thank you, Joan!

Comment by Plinius on June 27, 2013 at 1:07am

Such a beautiful picture, Joan! I know a few ginko trees in the neighbourhood but on their own they have less impact.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 12:29am

Ginko Trees, Jingu, Tokyo, Japan

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 3:39pm

No Joan, I don't use timers.  I have both battery operated and house current operated timers, but have been too lazy to set them up here since I moved.  I also have a moisture monitor that I've never hooked-up.  Thanks for the reminder.  I may get it done this year or next.

For happy unknown reasons, my ambition has increased 100 fold starting 4 months ago, so, if it keeps up, I may get many of those things done that I've been putting off for years :)

In the past I've put the full 120 lbs/sq.in. water pressure on my soaker hoses and I've not noticed blowouts.  However, since you mentioned it, there have been some large leaks that may have been due to the pressure.

But this year, I plan on using a pressure reducer.  The main reason being that with full pressure, they act like lots of little sprinklers and get some of the leaves wet.  

I keep them on top of the ground because it's less work and I can see where they are if I need to dig.

Ruth, did you use the black recycled tire soaker hoses?  That's what I've always used, and I've not noticed the sun scald that Joan mentioned.  I do have one made of cloth that I've not dared try.  I may put it down on an unimportant area to see what happens.

Comment by Angela on June 23, 2013 at 3:33pm
Oh and a greenhouse would be a dream come true for me!
Comment by Angela on June 23, 2013 at 3:33pm
I haven't yet Spud. They are still young and not fruit-bearing yet. I did find a recipe that involves cayenne pepper, garlic, hand soap and water for the bugs!
Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 3:16pm

Angela, sorry I don't have any good suggestions, but I do have a question:  Have you eaten bananas ripened on the tree?

I've always wanted to try tree-ripened bananas, but have never had the opportunity.  I've always thought of building a greenhouse for banana and other plants with similar requirements.  I still may do it someday.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2013 at 3:15pm

Your plan sounds like a good one, Spud. yes, I make most of the holes that I repair. Occasionally I put too much water pressure and have a blow out. Do you use timers with your soakers? 

My procedure is to spread the hoses where I want them, bury them, set the flow so it seems to be enough, but not so strong as it blows out the hose, and set the timer for increments of 5 minutes, then use my moisture meter to determine when there is the correct amount of water at each session. When that is all set, I just monitor the moisture occasionally and if I see some plants withering, I put more time for water. This task is nice to do in the morning because I like to do all my watering in the morning, before noon. That way the leaves that get wet have a chance to dry off. Having hoses buried helps prevent sun rot. When a leak occurs, it becomes obvious very fast, with large areas of wet soil. 

I keep a repair box with all the tools and supplies together so I just have to pick up the box and travel. I also use red flags on long heavy wires to mark places that need attention. Maybe once a week I check all the soil moisture around my patch. My soakers have been in the ground since 1996 and I have replaced them perhaps twice, but I do have to replace the parts that get too many repairs close together. 

One year I forgot to disconnect the soakers when we blew out for the winter, and blew out all the houses on that line. I have nine stations on an automatic timer. 


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