Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky on Monday. 8 Replies

Potatoes. Growing the perfect food.

Started by Sentient Biped. Last reply by Sentient Biped Oct 11. 12 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sky God Oct 10. 3 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 10. 9 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Annie Thomas Oct 3. 10 Replies

Bunga Bakawali or Tan Hua (Epiphyllum oxypetallum)

Started by Sentient Biped. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 21. 13 Replies

"Healthy Soil Microbes / Healthy People"

Started by Sentient Biped. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 20. 26 Replies

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Comment by Randall Smith on May 27, 2013 at 8:15am

Joan: That ecosystem in a bottle is amazing!

Annie: I bought 3 cauliflower and 3 Brussels sprouts ($4 total). They lasted less than 24 hours! As Elmer Fudd would say, "wascally wabbits!"  I cover them at night, but my rabbits must be diurnal. I'm making more cages today--then go buy more.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 26, 2013 at 1:24am

"This maybe perhaps the smallest oldest surviving ecosystem in the world. A garden in a bottle, planted by David Latimer in 1960 was last watered in the year 1972 before it was tightly sealed. David Latimer, 80, from Cranleigh in Surrey wanted to experiment how long the ecosystem will survive and to everybody’s amazement the little world is still thriving entirely on recycled air, nutrients and water.

"The only external thing fed to this bottled-garden was light without which there would be no energy for plants inside to create their own food and continue to grow. Other than that this is an entirely self-sufficient ecosystem, with the plant and bacteria in the soil working together.
it's INature

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 24, 2013 at 10:18pm

Annie, my parents had those colorful aluminum glasses.  The metal is very cold from the ice.  Much colder than glass.  They were special.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 8:48pm

I get my worms, lady bugs and lacewings by mail order. I think Gardens Alive has them. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 8:47pm

Annie, I forgot to mention give them a spray with water from a hose, and keep them washed off. That doesn't get rid of them but it does get them away from the leaves and buds until they climb back on. The trick is to get those sucking bugs to stop laying eggs.  Washing won't do that job. 

I am so happy to learn you have a gardening friend close by and you will have all these tricks figured out in no time. 

Your memories of your great aunt with kitchen garden and chicken coop, her canning and storing crops for winter and a hand pump for water and corn cob stove delight me. Those memories are so different from the memories modern children learn. A wallpapered outhouse says a lot about her character and values. It is not possible to get fried chicken to taste as good on electric or gas, they are different, good, but different. 

What a pleasure to have you on this site. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 24, 2013 at 7:27pm

Thanks Joan.  I appreciate the suggestions.  I am enjoying the process of learning how to deal with all of the problems.  I tried to purchase lady bugs, but there was no place in town and the aphid eruption was so pressing that I couldn't wait.  The product I used (organocide) did not bother the few ladybugs that naturally found the bounty of aphids on my tomatoes.  My friend who writes a local gardening column in the paper also recommended I be proactive next year.

My best memories of gardening was going to my great Aunt Vic's farm in Illinois.  She grew corn mostly, but also had a kitchen garden and chicken coop.  The canned all of her own vegetables for the winter and kept them in the storm cellar underneath the pump house.  Yes, she used a pump in and out of the house for water, had an outhouse that she wallpapered inside (!) and cooked the best fried chicken on a corn cob stove.  She lived to be 97, even though she served iced tea in those colorful aluminum glasses. ;-) 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 5:29pm

Annie, gardening is hard work and it is so much easier to go to the market and get fresh fruits and veggies off the cool green grocer's racks. I can remember my grandmothers and all the hard work they put into their gardens. My mother was the first generation to not grow a garden, although she did for the first 15 years or so of her married life. 

First off, stay away from chemicals that kill off lady bugs and lacewings, and other beneficial. They do a lot of work without you even knowing it. I buy both for my garden every couple of years because they clean up my garden and go next door where they get killed by chemicals. 

Second, There are products available that target the sucking and munching crowd, a good organic catalog will help you find them. If I can't control the evil ones and they kill a tree, shrub or plant, I find a different plant that is not so sensitive to their mischief. So many of my things die, and that is part of being a gardener. Choose your battles.    

As to fungus and powdery mildew ... a miserable beast ... many beasts, prevention is the best procedure. Get the sensitive things early before they take over. I prespray plants before they emerge and if I see any signs of trouble.  

Powdery Mildew Controlling and Preventing Powdery Mildew on Plants

Gardens Alive is my go-to reference for diseases and pests and how to control them naturally. It puts out a big catalog every year with lots of photos and descriptions. I prefer the on-line catalog because I hate to use up all the paper and they accommodate that request. They suggest living Earth plants that are the easiest plants to grow organically, chemicals and how to use them as safely as possible, and natural remedies, such as interplanting with bug chasers.  They are pricey, and you can find the information and go to a good insecticide store and may find cheaper alternatives. 

I use their rose spray, and Plant Guardian Biofungicide, Soap Shield Liquid Copper Fungicide, Pyola Insect Spray and keep these on hand at all times. There are other products from which to choose. Again, find out the ingredient and if you look you can probably find the chemical at a good hardware store. 

By all means, stay away from Ortho. It is a killer of all things beneficial. 

Gardens Alive

Safer Brand Organic Pesticides

Rodale puts out great books, one had formulas to create your own sprays. I couldn't find it in the book section just now, but I suspect you will be able to find one by writing them, or used book stores. Mine is worn out. 

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Gardening is a good exercise in problem solving. There is always something to learn and do. Happy Gardening. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 24, 2013 at 4:33pm

Gorgeous irises! 

Randall- Everything is trial and error for me in the garden.  Even with the bumps in the road, I still find it so rewarding.  What new plants did you purchase today?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 11:01am

Sentient, me too. Kind of a no ambition day and thankfully I can. Are you able to slow down when you have this kind of day? 

Your iris photos cheer me; I will take a walk in the garden after breakfast and that should put a bit of sparkle back in me.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 24, 2013 at 7:27am

To all: I enjoy reading your comments. Makes me feel somewhat better to hear others have similar gardening problems (critters, diseases, weather, etc.). I just returned to my greenhouse people for more plantings (thanks to rabbits and wind). Frustrating, eh?!!


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