Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on November 2, 2014 at 3:20pm

Joan, your climate is almost Midwestern, similar to where I grew up.  I did not move for weather climate - it was for social climate and had opportunity, and felt like I belonged here.

per the weather channel, no freeze predicted here for 2 weeks, then who knows.  Average first freeze here is in early Dec, I think.

Garlic I planted about 2  weeks ago is growing.  It doesn't mind freeze.  I'm pleased that it is growing.  Last year I planted earlier, didn't get to it this time.

Comment by Daniel W on November 2, 2014 at 3:16pm

redearthworms.com has 1/2 pound of red wigglers for 15.95  plus postage.  I don't know how reliable they are.


Just checked my worm bin, which is really a rolling composter.  They descend through multiple worm bins I've had 15 years.  Whenever I clean out the composters, I leave a big wad of worms to start over.  They have been through multiple freezes.  I'd be happy to mail some if you like.  Will need to research how to do that.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2014 at 2:19pm

In case anyone is wondering, I place the Permaculture article in the wrong group. Deleted it and moved it to here. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2014 at 2:18pm

Barbara, and my major problem is cold. So, we have to bring the inside during the hot and cold spells. We had our first killing frost this morning, Nov. 2. That is late this this country. We often have a layer of snow by now. 

$40.00 is a high price, and I don't do much better. I have enough to share, but the temperature between here and there would prevent sending them. 

If you have trouble with smell, I recommend adding shredded newspaper on top of the box with worms. That should absorb the smell. I could be wrong ... I have been known to be wrong many times. Thankfully, I enjoy being corrected.

If you ask to buy what you can afford, you should be able to have a good breeding colony in no time. They love to make babies. Ask him if you can buy $5.00 worth and how many that would be. You just have to make sure you don't overfeed or underfeed the number you get. And, remember, moist, not wet. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 2, 2014 at 1:11pm

Well, my attempts to find red worms on the cheap didn't work out. I just returned from a 50 mile drive in search of a bait shop that carried them with no luck either. So, since there is a reputable local guy who sells them and I can go and pick them up, I'm just going to have to bite the bullet. A regular order from him is $40  - I've sent him an email asking if I can have half an order. Maybe he'll take pity on a old woman who just wants a few worms. (';')  

Joan the 50-86 degree limit is the reason I chose to grow them in my office.  They would simply cook outside. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2014 at 11:28am

Barbara, about red wiggly earthworms. Here are sites I do not recommend. 

Uncle Jim's Worm Farm 1,000 Count Red Wiggler Live Composting Worms

The scoop on 'Gardens Alive!'

The reviews on Gardens Alive have gone down the past two years. I had great service and products when I bought from them, but that was over five years ago. 

Worms for vermiculture are (Eisenia foetida, Eisenia andrei, and Lumbricus rubellus

Presently, I get my Eisenia fetida, red wigglies, from a local worm farmer. Perhaps there are local worm farmers in your area. 

Red Wigglies thrive between 50 and 86 degrees F. 

I wouldn't mail order worms at this time of year, nor in the early spring because of unknown temperatures during transport. 

When I bought from Gardens Alive, they would ship only on Mondays because of the fear of delays in transport. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 2, 2014 at 10:15am

Nov 2, 2014 first killing frost. The latest that I have recorded in my garden. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 2, 2014 at 9:13am

Barbara, thanks for the ongoing lesson on Hegelkultur.  If not for the rainy area I live in, I might try that.  With climate change, it may still be needed here some day.

Joan, we are in the midst of some great rain and rain storms.  I love it.  You would like sitting in my sunroom, in a big rainstorm, surrounded by rain but dry and warm.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 2, 2014 at 9:00am

Gosh, Daniel and Randall you sure make blackberry bushes sound badl  Luckily the fruit of such not-so-nich bushes makes it all worthwhile.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 2, 2014 at 8:58am

I spent a few hours at a local community garden yesterday learning the proper way to create a Hugelkultur bed.  Theirs were actually attractive and had several things growing in them, and I was able to plant the broccoli you see growing in the one on the left.  (Perfect pic of me, eh?) :)

I definitely need to tear apart the one I have started in my own garden and find some larger logs for the base, then add additional organics to it. I imagine its going to be messy to do, but I really want to get it right.  I should note that many Hugelkutur beds are rounded on top, however, the young man in charge of this garden said he prefers to make them flat on top so when he waters the soil doesn't wash away. 


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