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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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Latest Activity: yesterday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius on Saturday. 2 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W on Saturday. 2 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Plinius Apr 15. 13 Replies

Rooftop Gardens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 3. 20 Replies

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Apr 1. 1 Reply

Fantastic Fungi - a film by Louie Schwartzberg

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 28. 1 Reply

Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Mar 22. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 1:50pm

Of course! I watched many farmers in China and Asia using "honey buckets" and their food was delicious. I had concern about health issues, but I didn't get sick. Weary, but not sick. 

Good for you! innovation, experimentation, exploration! these are the qualities that make things better and challenges the status quo. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 29, 2014 at 1:31pm
Joan, the NPK is similar to fish emulsion and it's free! Ning took to the idea with great enthusiasm. Once I researched, it seemed like "why didnt I do this before?"

The chicken yard is already lush and very green, so none goes to the trees there. Nature gives generously.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 1:07pm

Spud, I just want to tell you how special you are to me, even if I don't respond to your many nice comments. I always read your work and treasure them. 

Thanks for the information about the sound being OK on your computer. It must be mine, then. OK, a new challenge to get on with. You know how much I like challenges. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 1:05pm

Daniel, you are ingenious. And such a natural thing for a gardener to do. Sorry I don't have the equipment to easily save mine. But what the heck, I can collect privately so what is the big deal? 

Gardeners are our best teachers!

Comment by Daniel W on March 29, 2014 at 12:48pm

Joan, on the nitrogen boost question, I was being discrete for esthetic reasons. But I should be honest.

I wrote up on the general topic here:

We keep a half-gallon jug in the bathroom and pee into that instead of flushing. I have a watering can that I use to dilute the urine, about 3 parts water to 1 part urine. Then I water that into the ground. This time of year, with the constant rain, there is no residual odor at all. Odor is most people's objections, and culture. Fish fertilizer is very stinky, but the rain washes that into the soil quickly too, when I use it. We have a septic system, so the urine goes into the ground anyway, just a different location.

This will be a growing trend among organic types. I think.

The trees are just budding out. Around each tree is a wide tuft of grass that is faster growing, thicker, and greener than the rest of the lawn, so I know there is a nitrogen boost that is getting into the soil. I don't want to use too much, but I do want them to be lush and grow faster and greener this year.

So that secret's out. :-)

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 29, 2014 at 12:22pm

Yes, David Esterling is who I was referring to.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 29, 2014 at 12:15pm

Joan, it sounds good on my computer.

I liked the "American" carver and Gibbons expert explaining and showing why carving with lime-wood is so much better to make carvings with.

Around here, it's called basswood, which seems to be the same thing.  I've enjoyed carving it a little in the past.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 12:05pm

I found another treasure, David Esterly, woodcarver. 

David Esterling (Limewood) sculptor of Limewood. 

"Tilia is a genus of about 30 species of trees native throughout most of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. Commonly called lime trees in the British Isles, they are not closely related to the lime fruit. Other names include linden and basswood

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 11:25am

Out of curiousity roused by Daniel's comments on Linden trees, I went in search of  Grinling Gibbons  and found a real riches.

Grinling Gibbons... at Willowbrook Park 

Grinling Gibbons

There are some beautiful videos but the sound is wretched on my computer. I am sending one and hope the sound is good. Let me know how your computer handles it. 

1/4 The Glorious Grinling Gibbons - Carved with Love

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2014 at 11:03am

Daniel, what did you use for your spring kickstart for your trees? 

Thank you for responding to my question so quickly. 

Randall, I am impressed with your son-in-law perseverance is one of the keys to a happy life, in my opinion; start something ambitious and see that it gets completed. 


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