Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Randall Smith on July 18, 2013 at 10:17am

Sentient: Hope you're feeling better. Had my first sweet corn last night! Picked 12 lbs of blueberries ($28 worth)! Blackberries coming on. It's just so blame hot to pick them. Same with green beans.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 18, 2013 at 9:16am
Sentient, thanks for those lovely photos.
My raspberry patch is full of birds. Using binoculars, I can watch them close up and they enjoy the berries so much, I get vicarious pleasure just watching them.
The peppermint is going to seed now and I will dedicate a patch to them, they are so delicious, pretty and prolific. They can also invade.
Hummingbirds all over the garden, darting hither and yon.
One variety of daylily now has finished their bloom time, the 'Stella de Oro' blooms at peak.
Spud, wish I had one of your melons.
Comment by Joan Denoo on July 18, 2013 at 9:02am
Angelika led me to a new site that I like:
Comment by Annie Thomas on July 17, 2013 at 8:19pm

Chris-  I am so impressed when people use small spaces so wisely.  The love of coaxing something to grow, regardless the container or plot of land, is what ties us all together in our love of gardening.  One of my favorite gardens was a moon garden I planted in my college apartment courtyard.  It was about the size of a postage stamp, but I was oh so proud of that garden. ;-)

Sentient-  I just returned from a visit to my parents in NC.  My mother always makes such beautiful arrangements with the flowers she grows.  She had a basket filled with Buddleia.... lovely!  My parents have three large plants near their driveway.  They are always buzzing with activity!

Comment by Daniel W on July 17, 2013 at 7:14pm

Joan, thanks.  Mostly fatigue and some gastrointestinal stuff.  Not to go into detail.....  :)

What a beautiful pic.  That is what I am aiming for in the apiary garden, but I didn't know it until now!

Another couple of pics from today.  Butterflies love Buddleia.  So far I haven't seen honeybees on these, but the shrubs are new, small, not of flowers yet, and there are lots of other nectar sources. There have been some bumblebees.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 17, 2013 at 2:14pm

Sorry to learn of your not feeling well. Your fig and mulberry look so fresh and nutritious, they will hopefully bring some comfort. 

I ran across the photo that you may enjoy. It is called "Honey bee meadow".  I like the tractor seat in the middle and the mushroom for sitting in the foreground. Nice little resting spots. I would kind of like a rusty tractor seat, tho. I'll be thinking of you. 

Comment by Daniel W on July 17, 2013 at 1:48pm

Today I was sick, so stayed home.  To help me feel better, one of the fig trees provided a treat. First fipe fig of the year. The mulberry tree has been ripening lots of tasty berries.  They don't make it to the kitchen - I eat them off the tree.  All of those phytonutrients - must be good for what ails.

Comment by Daniel W on July 16, 2013 at 12:50pm

Joan, clovers are great plants for honey and pollen for bees.  The varieties to choose are white dutch clover, for lawn - productive and short, can be mowed with lawn.  Dutch White clover bloom time is usually June and July.   For taller growing areas, crimson clover and Alsike clover are excellent.  Alsike clover provides enough nectar for 500 pounds of honey per acre.  I think crimson clover is enough for 50 to 150 pounds.   Red clover is not good for honeybees because the nectar tube is too long and they can't feed well from it, although some native pollinatgors and  bees use red clover.   These clovers also bloom mostly June and july.


Yellow and white sweet clover provide enough nectar for about 200 pounds per hive, and bloom May through August.

Most clovers make some of the best flavored honey.


Maple trees are excellent sources of pollen and nectar, blooming february through April    Black locust trees provide up to 1,200 pounds of honey but in some areas are considered noxious weeds. They bloom may, june


Dandelion is a major source of pollen and nectar, bloom april and may (for me it's blooming now).

Blackberry and raspberry are major sources of pollen and honey, and bloom May, June.


The big challenge is what blooms late summer and fall.  Globe thistle (most people don't want it) fireweed - endemic - are good.  Goldenrod blooms in fall and can be major source. 


Last year I bought a few pounds of clover seeds, and a few pounds of wildflower seeds, from outsidepride.com. I mixed in packets of poppy seeds and california poppies.  And some clovers. The wildflower meadow that resulted  is really beautiful, the only negative is I didn't kill off the lawn grass so it's hard to see from a distance.  The honeybees like a lot of those wildflowers too.

If you can get enough seed, Lemon balm blooms mid to late summer, and provides up to 200 pounds of honey per acre.  Lemon balm is deer resistant.  For me it used to be a weed, but now I plant it around trees and in the meadow area.

Most fruits are helpful during their bloom season and the trees produce much more when there are bees present.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 16, 2013 at 12:02pm
Sentient, my daughter lives on 17 acres of 3rd growth timber land and they clear a wide swath around the buildings to protect from forest fires. She also has horses and some domestic fowl that run wild and are not for food, more like pets. They also feed wildlife. The soil is morain sands and gravels from the last Ice Age, and water leaches through quickly. I suggested she use the tractor to loosen the sand and toss in some clover seeds to enrich the soil and provide pollen for honey bees. They have a few wild honey hives on their place, as well as some fruits and berries.
Do you recommend any particular clover for such conditions, or other plants?
Comment by Idaho Spud on July 16, 2013 at 6:16am

Joan, thanks for the encouragement to savor your time on the earth.  I worry too much.  In hindsight, the worry is usually about trivial things, so I'm going to enjoy today more and worry less.


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