Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 170
Latest Activity: on Friday

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Permaculture U. of Mass

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 16. 0 Replies

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry Dec 26, 2014. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 25, 2014. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10, 2014. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6, 2014. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1, 2014. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30, 2014. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16, 2014. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8, 2014. 21 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2013 at 4:51pm

I've known about diatomaceous earth, but keep forgetting to apply it.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2013 at 4:50pm

My disappearing beets could be due to slugs.  I used to see lots of slugs when I had most of my garden covered with bark.  I see very few once I removed the bark, but I did find some underground when I was digging near plants this summer.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2013 at 4:37pm

Joan, I saved your beet greens recipe and will try it.  I'm usually lazy and just steam them with butter.

Comment by Plinius on October 7, 2013 at 3:25am

Forgot half, as usual, so this is to complete it

My favorite beetroot recipe:

boiled beetroots, cooled down and diced

boiled potatoes, cold, diced (can be left out)

some mature goat's cheese, diced

a handful of walnuts or peccannuts, roasted

a small onion, finely chopped or some green herbs

Mix, and make a dressing from some pesto, black pepper, olive oil and lemon juice. Mix, add the nuts and serve.

Comment by Plinius on October 7, 2013 at 2:05am

Perhaps the explanation is that I'm only a starting veg gardener who has a lot of other jobs to do as well...

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2013 at 12:40am
I am really curious why you and Spud had trouble with young beets disappearing. There has to be an explanation. Yes, copper is a good deterrent for slugs and I use wires, screens or copper tape. It is expensive, so I only use it sparingly.
I Googled natural slug control and found this site; lots of new information.
Comment by Plinius on October 7, 2013 at 12:13am


Only four, Joan, but in Schiedam probably only in a terrarium.

I'm going to find diatomaeous earth or something that works in the rain here. I had some stuff with copper (I think) in it, and it worked rather well, but after a heavy shower you can start again. Thanks for thinking with me!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 6, 2013 at 11:56pm
Chris, do you have lizards in The Netherlands?
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 6, 2013 at 11:24pm

Chris, well that exhausts my ideas. I surely hope you find why they didn't grow and let us know. Loved your description of Luna and birds. Thanks for the beets/potato recipe. It sounds delicious and colorful. 

If slugs are the cause of disappearing beets, perhaps a dusting of diatomaceous earth will solve that problem. 

Slug Stoppers Slugs can do a lot of damage to tender plants. Learn ...

"Diatomaceous earth (DE).
After testing all kinds of slug barriers, Jeff Gillman, author of The Truth about Garden Remedies and professor of horticulture at the University of Minnesota, concluded that DE is the most reliable. "DE is a white powder made from the fossilized remains of diatoms, one-celled algae that have a skeleton made of silicon," Gillman says. "To a slithering slug, this lethal powder is extremely sharp and cuts their undersides, causing dehydration." DE does have to be replenished each time it rains, making it a better choice for climates where it does not rain frequently. (Note: Buy only untreated diatomaceous earth formulated for garden use, and wear a dust mask when applying it. DE made for swimming pools is chemically altered and not suitable for use in any garden, much less an organic one.)
You can buy bags of Diatomaceous earth at Gardener's Supply or Planet Natural.

I also wrote to my favorite gardener and asked her. I will let you know when I hear from her. 

Comment by Plinius on October 6, 2013 at 10:45pm

Thinking again:

It's not birds - the rucola and lettuce were left untouched.       Mice - not likely because of the cats. Moles - never seen them in concrete. But on top of the concrete are big loose tiles, far too heavy to lift, so I can only guess what lives beneath. Spiders, wood lice, bugs and creepy-crawlies and what do THEY eat?


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