Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
What's your gardening style?
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Wild Parsnip - It can burn skin.
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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Comment by Annie Thomas on May 27, 2013 at 1:26pm

Sentient- Your garden looks wonderful.  I love the variety of your vegetables.  I planted my okra a little late this year, but it is doing well.  I had never before seen an okra flower, and they really are quite lovely.  They only open during the day, then close up in the evening.Good luck with your okra.  I live in "okra country" so I hope mine will do well.  I'll be interested in hearing how yours fares.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 12:01pm

Sentient, your garden looks absolutely wonderful. Where do you get the energy? I have done not one little bit of work, just sit and soak up the fresh air, sunshine, and listen to song birds. The cats that remain come daily. My neighbor picked some rhubarb and made me a loaf of rhubarb bread ...  it tastes so good. 

How are you managing water at your acreage? Any problems? 

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 27, 2013 at 11:47am

Somehow I think chicken wire needs to be renamed varmint wire.     Joan, your friend's cage house seems ideal - maybe I'll do that in a few years.


Moles seem to especially love freshly planted and composted  areas.  I like moles - they eat underground grubs, and are entirely carnivorous.  I can live with their little mountains in other places, but I don't want them disrupting and burying my plants shrubs and trees.  So - new trees are now planted in a hole lined with chicken wire.  I think the roots grow through the chicken wire OK.


The raised beds are constructed on a chicken wire base for the same reason.


Now I have 2 types of enclosures for rabbits and deer.  

This one is made with 6 cheap fence posts, fastened to the sides of the bed with deck screws. On one side I looped the chicken wire over screws and fastened with clothespins as a makeshift gate.

This one is tomatoes, and okra if the okra grows.

The other uses loops made from PVC pipe, held in place with short sections of rebar, like a Conestoga wagon.  On the ends, chicken wire is held in place with clothespins.  This is good for strawberries, which are favorites of deer, rabbits, and birds.  It's harder for me to get into and out of, so I think I like the rectangular shape better.

Allium-family plants are not favorites of kritters here, so don't need protection.  Onion, garlic, shallot, chives.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 10:54am

Annie, those school terrariums are fun for me, as well. A great way to see living things and the processes of nature. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 27, 2013 at 9:57am

Randall!  Those rabbits are onto you. I have a fenced-in garden this year... just three feet high.  It has eliminated the rabbit problem, but the squirrels and birds sometimes make a visit.  I have a plastic owl with a bobble head that may or may not be doing anything. ;-)

Joan- the bottle is amazing!  When I used to teach science, I would have the children collect soil and plants from the woods behind the school and we would make terrariums in 2L bottles with the tops cut off.  We would then water and cover with saran wrap that was secured by a rubber band.  They would survive for several years, only drying up if the rubber band became brittle and popped off.  We would even occasionally observe insects flying around inside... years after we made them. It was a wonderful model of the water cycle too, as the water would condensate on the top or the sides of the bottle and then "rain" down again onto the plants.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 9:43am

I should have said a gable frame for the roof, which she covered with chicken wire as well. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 9:41am

A friend of mine built a frame shed, about the size of a garage, with gable roof, and wrapped it all with chicken wire, installed a door frame and grows their veggies and flowers in there. That was the only way they could stop critters from getting everything. Wire over the top prevented birds from snacking. It looked a little like this:

She had raised beds inside with pebble paths and surrounded it with concrete blocks to prevent rabbits from digging under. It looked similar to this:

Comment by Randall Smith on May 27, 2013 at 8:15am

Joan: That ecosystem in a bottle is amazing!

Annie: I bought 3 cauliflower and 3 Brussels sprouts ($4 total). They lasted less than 24 hours! As Elmer Fudd would say, "wascally wabbits!"  I cover them at night, but my rabbits must be diurnal. I'm making more cages today--then go buy more.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 26, 2013 at 1:24am

"This maybe perhaps the smallest oldest surviving ecosystem in the world. A garden in a bottle, planted by David Latimer in 1960 was last watered in the year 1972 before it was tightly sealed. David Latimer, 80, from Cranleigh in Surrey wanted to experiment how long the ecosystem will survive and to everybody’s amazement the little world is still thriving entirely on recycled air, nutrients and water.

"The only external thing fed to this bottled-garden was light without which there would be no energy for plants inside to create their own food and continue to grow. Other than that this is an entirely self-sufficient ecosystem, with the plant and bacteria in the soil working together.
it's INature

Comment by Sentient Biped on May 24, 2013 at 10:18pm

Annie, my parents had those colorful aluminum glasses.  The metal is very cold from the ice.  Much colder than glass.  They were special.


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