Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
What's your gardening style?
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Wild Parsnip - It can burn skin.
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo 13 hours ago. 5 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo yesterday. 2 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 0 Replies

Sugar Baby

Started by Don. Last reply by Don on Sunday. 11 Replies

Evans Bali cherry

Started by Don. Last reply by Don on Sunday. 4 Replies


Started by Čenek Sekavec. Last reply by Idaho Spud on Saturday. 4 Replies

Some pictures from my garden

Started by Steph S.. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 26. 7 Replies

The Next Green Revolution May Rely on Microbes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Sentient Biped Jun 30. 2 Replies

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Comment by Plinius on June 27, 2013 at 1:07am

Such a beautiful picture, Joan! I know a few ginko trees in the neighbourhood but on their own they have less impact.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 12:29am

Ginko Trees, Jingu, Tokyo, Japan

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 3:39pm

No Joan, I don't use timers.  I have both battery operated and house current operated timers, but have been too lazy to set them up here since I moved.  I also have a moisture monitor that I've never hooked-up.  Thanks for the reminder.  I may get it done this year or next.

For happy unknown reasons, my ambition has increased 100 fold starting 4 months ago, so, if it keeps up, I may get many of those things done that I've been putting off for years :)

In the past I've put the full 120 lbs/sq.in. water pressure on my soaker hoses and I've not noticed blowouts.  However, since you mentioned it, there have been some large leaks that may have been due to the pressure.

But this year, I plan on using a pressure reducer.  The main reason being that with full pressure, they act like lots of little sprinklers and get some of the leaves wet.  

I keep them on top of the ground because it's less work and I can see where they are if I need to dig.

Ruth, did you use the black recycled tire soaker hoses?  That's what I've always used, and I've not noticed the sun scald that Joan mentioned.  I do have one made of cloth that I've not dared try.  I may put it down on an unimportant area to see what happens.

Comment by Angela on June 23, 2013 at 3:33pm
Oh and a greenhouse would be a dream come true for me!
Comment by Angela on June 23, 2013 at 3:33pm
I haven't yet Spud. They are still young and not fruit-bearing yet. I did find a recipe that involves cayenne pepper, garlic, hand soap and water for the bugs!
Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 3:16pm

Angela, sorry I don't have any good suggestions, but I do have a question:  Have you eaten bananas ripened on the tree?

I've always wanted to try tree-ripened bananas, but have never had the opportunity.  I've always thought of building a greenhouse for banana and other plants with similar requirements.  I still may do it someday.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2013 at 3:15pm

Your plan sounds like a good one, Spud. yes, I make most of the holes that I repair. Occasionally I put too much water pressure and have a blow out. Do you use timers with your soakers? 

My procedure is to spread the hoses where I want them, bury them, set the flow so it seems to be enough, but not so strong as it blows out the hose, and set the timer for increments of 5 minutes, then use my moisture meter to determine when there is the correct amount of water at each session. When that is all set, I just monitor the moisture occasionally and if I see some plants withering, I put more time for water. This task is nice to do in the morning because I like to do all my watering in the morning, before noon. That way the leaves that get wet have a chance to dry off. Having hoses buried helps prevent sun rot. When a leak occurs, it becomes obvious very fast, with large areas of wet soil. 

I keep a repair box with all the tools and supplies together so I just have to pick up the box and travel. I also use red flags on long heavy wires to mark places that need attention. Maybe once a week I check all the soil moisture around my patch. My soakers have been in the ground since 1996 and I have replaced them perhaps twice, but I do have to replace the parts that get too many repairs close together. 

One year I forgot to disconnect the soakers when we blew out for the winter, and blew out all the houses on that line. I have nine stations on an automatic timer. 

Comment by Angela on June 23, 2013 at 3:07pm
I planted banana trees. First for me. Doing everything the nursery said, but I have noticed several leaves have a lacy eaten pattern on them. Contacted the nursery and he recommended Sevin dust. I am not too keen on using pesticides on them as they are close to the pool and in my pets area. Does anyone have a good recipe for homemade non-toxic (to us or pets) pesticide? Thanks in advance.
Comment by Idaho Spud on June 23, 2013 at 2:43pm

I've had good results with soaker hoses in the past, but last year I watered everything overhead and had good results.  However, this year I'm going back to soaker hoses.

The main reason is everyone says don't water watermelon overhead, as they are more susceptible to disease than other crops when wet.  My other crops will probably do better without overhead watering as well.

I've not had problems with soaker hoses leaking unless I stab them with a shovel or a wire used to hold them in place.  However, I'm going to be more careful and shouldn't have any problem with leakage.

My main concern with soaker hoses is that I don't know whether I'm over or under watering.  To remedy that concern, I'm going to put one in a large trash container and measure the amount of water they produce at a set time at the pressure I plan on using.

I plan on repeating that procedure with one that's been in service for a year or two to see how much the hard water deposits have reduced the flow. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 23, 2013 at 2:04pm

Ruth, I am sorry to learn that. It makes gardening so much easier. How do you manage watering now? 


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