Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on October 5, 2013 at 12:32pm

The first frost came this morning (28 F), so I harvested all my watermelon.  I was surprised by how much they weighed.    

The 3 on the right are Moon and Stars, and weighed 51, 34, and 18 pounds.  I read that they are supposed to be between 20 and 50 pounds.  The  two on the left are Sugar Baby and weigh 5 and 0.75 pounds.  

However, the taste was very disappointing.  They were mealy, with a weak watery flavor. I think they were over-ripe.

I expect to do better next year.

Comment by Daniel W on October 2, 2013 at 10:36pm


The volunteer sungolds were a gift from nature. 

I would not have tried Hawaiian Pineapple except it was grafted.  I thought the extra vigor might overcome the 80 day aspect.  I don't know if it did - too much chaos this year. 

I thought the plant must have a compromise - energy going to tomatoes would not be going to potatoes, and vice versa.  But maybe that's OK - it looks like a vigorous plant.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 1, 2013 at 1:17pm
What a great idea. Those tomatoes sound delicious. I harvested six Sun Gold cherry tomatoes from the volunteer plant that I neglected. They were delicious. There are probably 100more in various
states of development, but too small to fuss with.

"Hawaiian Pineapple", It appears to be an 80 day variety, too long for Spokane. Maybe worth a try if I put it in a protected spot.

The potatoes in the film look so healthy! and delicious.
Comment by Daniel W on October 1, 2013 at 9:52am

Something interesting.  I don't know how beneficial it is - but interesting.  I grew a grafted tomato plant this year.  It grew like crazy, but suffered due to my forgetting about it and it went unwatered.  It was "Hawaiian Pineapple" - a heritage variety, and the few that we got from it were super delicious, but small. I studied up on grafting tomatoes, and grew some rootstock, but events this spring kept me from doing some things I wanted to do.



Comment by Daniel W on October 1, 2013 at 9:29am


You are right, of course.  Putting things in the ground is very comforting.  Now they are settled in, the rain has settled the soil around them, and they can start growing roots.  It's all done, and I feel good about that.

I wasn't as diligent with making the holes deep enough and "just perfect", this year.  Some may have been too shallow.  The holes are  uneven.  They will grow fine, but the flowers might fall over more easily.    Some are interplanted among bearded irises, which have been an obsession for me - I have set aside 3 of the raised beds for those.

All told, I planted...

3 bags  yellow daffodils, 60 per bag - budget bags

2 bags white triandrus narcissus, 10 per bag

2 bags "minnow"  narcissus, 10 per bag

2 bags "naturalizer mix daffodils", 20 per bag

2 bags muscari, 25 per bag

1 bags of a hybrid daffodil, I didn't write down name.  12 per bag.

2 large crown imperial frittilaria bulbs.  I have never been able to get these to grow.  This time I included them in a raised bed that is mainly heritage bearded irises.

2 bags of "Jetfire" daffodil.  I should have dug up the bunch that I originally planted 13 years ago - it has multiplied nicely.  But I didn't have the ambition / energy / where-with-all last spring.  10 per bag.

Plus some Alliums, I think 2 bags of 6, and some that I dug up this summer and kept in the garage to replant.

Plus 2 Camassia, which I also dug up and left under a tree during the summer.  Those might be dead, but they looked good.

Also 1 bag of anemones, 25 per bag.  Last year I planted a different anemone variety.  They were nice, but not super duper.  I like the idea, they are rabbit and deer resistant.  I don't know if they will come up again next year.

2 bags of hyacinths, 10 per bag.

Some of the packages -

It sounds like a lot, but the planting was spread over a few weeks.   Planting in the raised beds was very easy.  There was no plan, just stick them here and there.

No tulips - deer and rabbits eat them.  Muscaari, in theory animal resistant, but several were eaten last year, so I only added one package.

In the Spring, my yard in town will be filled with Scilla  (Hyacinthoides hispanica) that took over.  Last year I moved about 10 big bunches after they came up, and they grew and bloomed fine.  So next year I might move more of those too, once I know where to dig.  Very animal resistant, free,  can dig when not much else is happening garden-wise, and supposedly make for a good early bee forage.

When I'm tired, or down, sometimes I loiter in the garden section of Fred Meyer or Home Depot, which results in buying way too many of these.  But I don't drink , don't smoke, and don't even buy coffee-shop coffee, so these can be considered my vice.

Joan those are great photos, illustrate the nurturing aspect of gardening and making bread.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 29, 2013 at 11:23pm

Daniel, anyone who plants, plants for the future. I do wish you well, and freedom from pain and fatigue. Wish you could rest more. There is comfort in getting bulbs in the ground and then sitting down to freshly made pies and bread using the fruits of your labor. 

I ran across this photo looking for a way to express the meditative qualities of bread making and found this:

Comment by Daniel W on September 29, 2013 at 10:47pm


Actually your worrying does benefit me!  But I don't want you to worry.  It's so good to know you want me to do better.  That by itself makes a big difference!

And I am doing better.

I love baking.  It's another form of puttering meditation.  I doubt that the Buddha puttered, but it works for me!

More "Northwet" today.  Blowing and raining!

The rest of the bulbs are planted.  I bit off all I could chew, but not more.  Which is good.  Now they are "incubating" in the soil, growing roots and forming flower buds to make Spring colorful and happy.

Curling up with reading and writing is cozy.  A great way to enjoy the fall season!

I think your friend is living in the moment.  A lesson for all.  I can't get out of living for a future too, in this case, planting the fall stuff for spring enjoyment.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 29, 2013 at 6:26pm

Daniel, I know you do not benefit by my worry, and you know yourself well enough to do what you need to do. You give me so much comfort, I wish I could do the same for you. 

Your garden, pies, breads, and harvested fruits and vegetables look so pretty; I know of no other satisfactions as great as planting and harvesting.

Kids, cats and cabbages all need to be "heard" and I guess I can do that, even if I lack energy to do anything more. The cold, windy, rains keep me inside, curled up with reading and writing and I am very content. 

I understand from Cary that your part of the state received heavy rains. I told him of your "Northwet" statement. 

Comment by Daniel W on September 29, 2013 at 3:44pm


Not to worry!  I might exceed my physical limitations at times, and pay for that dearly.  But I do that only if I will have a day afterwards to recover.  The 2nd day is not too bad, just profoundly, overwhelmingly tired.  Then the next day I'm OK again.

I can't quit work.  I can't discuss the workplace online.  But it does get to me.  Doing gardening and cooking gets me mentally in a better place.

I wish I could be completely "in the moment" like some "wellness advocates" promote, and sometimes I almost am.  If my brain could quit multitasking, it would be better.  But it seems I am hard-wired to worry and re-work and ruminate.

Meanwhile, there's a big yard and garden to get out the frustrations, ponder, putter, meditate, and heal.  To have a sense of accomplishment.  To incubate a future garden.  To experiment and tinker.  Where maybe in a few years, when I am forced to slow down more (or be debilitated, or die), it will be more minor puttering, and less major tasks.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 29, 2013 at 11:36am

Daniel, 200 bulbs sound like a lot to me; I am sure digging those holes helps to dissipate the frustrations you feel from work. Your friends here at Atheist Nexus express concern about you getting enough rest. I know, I marvel at your energy levels. 

I met a woman on Friday who is terminal with CA and she has the brightest smile and cheeriest disposition, one would think she has no care in the world. Perhaps that is true; she and her partner enjoy each and every morning and celebrate all day. A very refreshing experience to be with her. 


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