Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Nov 3. 2 Replies

Permaculture Transformation In 90 Days

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 2. 4 Replies

A texas garden I never thought I would see!

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 30. 4 Replies

Backyard Organic Garden

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 10 Replies

What the heck is hugelkultur? How does it save water?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Oct 29. 8 Replies

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Comment by Randall Smith on October 28, 2014 at 8:19am

Barbara, I'm impressed! Looking good. I own a Toyota Tacoma and love the bed liner for loading rocks and wood. No scratches!

Daniel and Joan, back in the days, land owners were too ignorant to realize the results of erosion due to the lack of grass cover. The government finally had to step in and PAY farmers to shelter the potential gullies. On my farm, I have 3.3 acres in CRP grasses (Big Bluestem). I get paid $700 a year not to farm it.

Comment by Daniel W on October 27, 2014 at 9:45pm
My family farm in Missouri was formerly flat prairie, which developed gullies 20 feet deep due to erosion. It was all clay and sand. Grew good foxtail and johnsongrass.

Barbara thanks for the update! What a huge project! You should be proud.
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 27, 2014 at 2:11pm

Randy, you wrote, 

"Here in Indiana (north central), we used to have a deep topsoil, but it's been decapitated by farm field erosion. We have a lot of rocks, too, from glacial deposits."

Your landscape is so much like mine in many ways. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 27, 2014 at 10:59am

I just finished reading all of your posts over the past week - and such a wealth of information!

Cenek, your post was simply great. I really appreciated the common sense, plain talk, of soil. The one point that really hit home was if you are going to grow native plants then don't change the soil a great deal. The graph simplified things for me too. It is my goal to use all native plants.  I plan to add some hummus to my flower beds as trying to rototill them was like working with concrete, and definitely compost to my veggie growing area. 

Randall, I had given serious thought to sweet potatoes, but realized that I really don't want to give up that much space, and will stick to regular potatoes in towers. 

Joan, I only have one small area that is shady all day long and I considered putting a compost pile there. However, after reviewing the work involved with composting and after watching the video on Worm Factory 360 - that's what I'm going to do. The key thing to worm farming appears to be temperature - 40-80F degrees, and for 6-7 months out of the year our temp is above 80. I can grow worms in my office year round. :) Assuming it won't smell that is.

Daniel, I have finally taken down your wildflower field pic as my computer desktop - and I'm waiting for a Fall pic! :)

As usual your harvesting results continue to keep me inspired.  All I "harvested" this year was Mexican Sage blooms which I dried a large bunch and now have them on my dining room table in a large vase. Rather pretty and nice to know I grew them.  A whole lot nicer than Fake colored plants. :)  

While I was picking up rocks I noticed a native milkweed, Green Milkweed, Ascleouas viridis  growing hearby and picked a couple heads off a plant. After drying them for a couple of days I wound up with several seeds.  After stratification I intend to plant some directly into the ground and a few in pots inside and see which do better. Either way I hope to have native milkweed next year.

Randall, I believe it was you who questioned whether it was too early to start thinking about Spring planting ... never, never, never! 

I haven't quite finished my Hugelkultur bed as it still needs some leaves and lots of dirt and then plenty of time to 'meditate' and in the meantime I have several books to read and lists to make of the various native plants I'm going to plant come March!.  So, to my way of thinking gardening is year round - just different stages.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 27, 2014 at 10:42am

Morning, I'm back after a week of discovering I'm capable of a bit more physical effort that I thought.  I learned the least expensive place to rent a pickup was at my local Toyota dealership. Was able to get two loads and return truck same day. Pic is of 2nd load which isn't quite as many stones as first load due to fatigue. Gathered rocks, recovered, rototilled the grass out and mulched back into other parts of the lawn, rototilled some more, recovered, placed rocks creating veggie beds and additional flower beds and hugelkultur bed. Then I took picture this morning and it sure doesn't look like much work. I'm now ready to add some amendments to my very dark clay soil and come Spring begin planting. :) 

Comment by Daniel W on October 27, 2014 at 8:07am
k.h. your gson is fortunate to have you!

Randall I saw those comments too. The ones that most sppealrd to me were, leave the tree there and be more creative about the building. Still, if they put up a carillon or monument, it might cost as much. Im glad they didnt vut it down, anyway.
Comment by Randall Smith on October 27, 2014 at 7:33am
Moving a tree that size is amazing. My first thought was "Great--they're saving that tree." Then, as I read further, I could see why some people would object. It's like the space program(s)--to some, is that money well spent?
I also enjoyed seeing the different varieties of squash. I harvested 3 kinds.
Daniel, you really didn't have to explain yourself, but I'm glad you did. I was just curious. Sometimes, I get a little brash--not always good.
Comment by k.h. ky on October 26, 2014 at 11:39pm
Daniel, you give me the greatest hope for my gson. I know he's young, and hasn't faced nearly the challenges older gays have, but if his path is easier because of brave people like you... You make me proud!
As an aside, I was pro equal rights way before l knew about my boy.
Comment by Daniel W on October 26, 2014 at 9:25pm
So early to think about next year! And I amdoing ut too. I might put in a half dozen types of squash just for novelty.

Come to think of it, I grew at least that many types this year. For summer squash,I lomed the yellow one best. For winter, I like the butternut best.

I moved a couple if 7 foot tall trees, which of course is nothing remotely like that humongous one. Its like moving a house!
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 26, 2014 at 5:34pm

Daniel, that list of winter squash is interesting, and from all over the world. Going to give some a try


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