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Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

"All I want for christmas is....."

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Larry 7 hours ago. 8 Replies

Gardening in central Texas "pan" soil

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston yesterday. 3 Replies

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 3, 2013 at 4:06pm

Randall, you wrote: "No wonder I can't grow blueberries."I did the same thing, had my soil tested by WSU Extension Service, picked a part of my garden that I wanted blueberries to grow and started pouring on sulfur. I also have a cheap little pH testing kit and check from year to year. 

Acid loving plants in my West garden pH 4.5 to 5.5

Parsley

Rhubarb 

onions 

Azalea

blueberry

Magnolia

Pieris

Pine

Mountain ash, American

Spruce 

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 3, 2013 at 2:45pm

Christmas cactus memories: When I was a little girl, my grandmother Whitehead had a huge one sitting in a window on the south side of the house. There was a very big wood cabinet radio next to it that stood about 3 feet high. The house was a tiny little structure built by the railroad to house their workers in Tekoa, a small town that had a railroad roundhouse to repair engines and cars for the Spokane to Idaho mines. Most of the houses there are railroad houses, poorly insulated, very high ceilings that held all the heat her wood stove and kitchen wood stove could generate. The windows were single pane.

A great deal of steam was generated by cooking and by laundry which was done in a big boiler on the stove. She had a hand-crank machine she placed on the boiler that wrung the clothes, sheets and linens from the boiling, soapy, Clorox water on the stove to a big rinse boiler sitting on the floor. Steam roiled from this operation.

In the winter, hoarfrost formed on the single pane window in the tiny living room, making incredibly beautiful patterns. On laundry day, if the windows were clear, the hoar frost formed quickly to cover the entire pane right before one's eyes. 

The Christmas cactus loved that window, the ambient temperature was always cold; the huge blooms by the hundreds burst into blossom as hoarfrost exploded across the window.

Imagine a little child watching these natural processes occurring right before one's eyes! There was some kind of magic far greater than the events taking place in the crying, moaning, beseeching, wailing, and praying activity that took place in our little Free Methodist church. A first sense of wonder, of questions, of investigations began. 

Comment by Daniel W on December 3, 2013 at 1:14pm

Found what looks like a reasonable lab and plan to send a sample.  We'll see what happens.

Spud I hope you didn't nail  that bug with anything too solid, like a hammer!

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 3, 2013 at 7:50am

Sentient, I reached up to squash your gif bug, figured it was a gif before my finger reached it, but nailed it anyway, just to be sure.

I've had bugs that look similar eating my dried corn and corn meal this year.

Comment by Randall Smith on December 2, 2013 at 7:43am

I had my soil tested years ago (like over 30), discovered it was too alkaline. Bought my own soil testing kit to see if I had acidified it enough (with sulfur). It hardly changed! So every year I continue to add nitrogen (horse and cow manure plus more sulfur). I can't seem to add enough. No wonder I can't grow blueberries. Good luck, Daniel.

Comment by Daniel W on December 1, 2013 at 11:11am

This was making me crazy until I realized it was a gif....   :-)

Comment by Daniel W on December 1, 2013 at 8:44am

Has anyone here had their soil tested?

I'm interested in having mine tested but the WA state extension office apparently doesn't test.  Joan, maybe you can correct me on that.  If so, that leaves commercial labs  I don't know which ones to try, expense, reliability, usefulness of the reports.

If you have had soil tested, did you find the info useful?

Comment by Daniel W on November 30, 2013 at 5:10pm

Joan, that's something to take into consideration.  The garden and its products should be pleasurable.    Bad odors do not make for a pleasurable experience.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 30, 2013 at 3:01pm

As to urine in the garden. My Dad peed in the garden and its rank smell, just as sometimes cat pee smells terrible. It does soak in, but I don't like it. I pull a vegetable, bring it to the house, and the kitchen gets the anointed plant aroma.  Not my idea of a garden being a pleasure to everyone. A little common sense would help. 

I visited a tavern in Belgium, owned by generations of my ancestors. The urinal was out back of the brick building. Centuries of urine sanctification, soaked into the brick, smelled of raw sewage. The first row of vegetables was broccoli, and they were magnificent! It appears these brassicas were on hallowed ground. I must confess, cooked with butter and salt, served, they tasted delicious ... no remnant of bodily fluid smells. I don't remember an outhouse. There must have been one for the ladies and for men doing their other elimination process. 

Honey pots in Asia appeared on the streets hanging from poles across their shoulders; in the fields people dipped into the pot and, if I remember correctly, sprayed it over the vegetables. Please correct me if I remember incorrectly. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 30, 2013 at 10:30am

Salt has been discussed as a potential negative.  Some articles recommend not using "liquid gold" in clay soils, and diluting it various strong.  A California doctor uses his urine for plant food, and adjusted his diet to reduce salt.  Which is the healthy thing to do.

Googling on the topic -I had no idea so many people were doing that.   Amazing.

I  have a ginkgo tree in the space my dogs use in the back yard.  It's several times larger than it's sibling in the front yard.  I'm sure it's the doggies' contributions.

 

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