Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

Discussion Forum

An Old Lady's Hugelkultur Bed

Started by Barbara Livingston. Last reply by Randall Smith Dec 10. 3 Replies

Permaculture Concept. Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 6. 2 Replies

My south garden 1993 & 2013

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Dec 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 30. 0 Replies

Permaculture, Bill Mollison

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 16. 0 Replies

Plant Labels

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 8. 21 Replies

Design with Nature

Started by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 0 Replies

Sepp Holzer´s Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Barbara Livingston Nov 6. 1 Reply

Permaculture, John D. Liu

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 3. 8 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 2:19pm

We have had about two weeks of weather inversion, low hanging fog, freezing temperatures, the trees and everything covered with a very light layer of fallen frozen fog. There must be a name for that!

Frog? Fozen? fozenfal? Anyway, it was beautiful, but not enough snow for our needed winter pack. We are about 20% low this winter and next summer may suffer the effects. 

Today, fozenfal lifted, sunlight streams, and this is the view out my daughter's dining room window in the forest of NE WA state. 

Comment by Daniel W on January 31, 2014 at 12:46pm

If there is a surplus of large clay pots, maybe lining them with plastic would help with water conservation? I've been doing that with wooden containers. I use the tough woven plastic from big dog food bags. Other plastic would work equally well. I line the sides and part of the bottom, leaving opening for drainage.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 12:41pm

I overestimated how large the cheap containers were.  When I stretched-out my hands to the diameter I remember them being, and measured between my hands, it was more like 2.5 feet instead of 3-4.

I liked the $17 one because it had double-wall construction which would help it moderate the temperature.

If I use one of my plastic trash cans or containers, I'll insulate them.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 12:36pm

Joan, I love the look of moss.  If I ever use clay pots, I'll try the buttermilk.

I've never tried drip irrigation, even though it sounds like a great idea, because I thought the heads would clog-up too easily with my very hard water.  Do they?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 12:28pm

I love plain old clay pots, they have a pretty patina with age, and if I soak them in buttermilk, I get a very nice moss that is pleasing to my eye and senses. Problem, they dry out very fast. The only way I find to manage that is to have them on pot drip lines. So I line up my little and big pots, string the line across them and install drip heads. I put the system on a timer so I don't have to tend to them at all, except to keep everything working as it should. 

The same principle applies to any kind of pot material. If you discover the pots get too hot, or need more heat, you can move pots easily and restring the water supply. 

Using concrete blocks is a good idea for all the reasons noted. Potatoes are heavy feeders, so keep that fertilizer coming. Preferably steer manure, but any natural manure works; the plants don't care from where their food comes, they just like food, regularly ... not too much, not too little. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 10:12am

I do like your idea of using stacked concrete blocks for growing potatoes, because you can take them down once piece at a time for harvesting, and put them back together.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 10:09am

Thanks for reminding me Daniel.  I do have a large rectangular Rubbermaid container, and I think it only cost $15.  Then there's the $10 and $15 large (2 ft diameter, 4 ft tall) plastic trash containers that I use to catch rainwater.  Do you think they would work well?  Or, is it better to use something not as tall and wider?

Comment by Daniel W on January 31, 2014 at 9:53am

Spud, I like containers because they are more controllable, and warm up earlier, and the soil stays warmer.  Those are helpful in a cool climate for tomatoes, peppers, and other plants.  Some people use the big rectangular Rubbermaid containers.  Anything the right size, with lots of drainage.  I use a power drill and drill many 1/2 inch holes in the bottom.

The down side is if it's hot or sunny, mine overheat.  Last year's fig starts needed water every day.  But they grew like gangbusters.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 30, 2014 at 7:18pm

I just may try some container gardening this year.  Yesterday I was looking for some things in a discount store and saw some very large containers (3-4 foot diameter), for $17 to $25.  On Monday (payday), I think I'll go back and buy one or two.

Comment by Daniel W on January 26, 2014 at 2:36pm

I like the container because it seems so much easier.   Also a lot can grow in a small space.

I've also grown potatoes in the ground.   I always miss some digging them up. 

Either way, they have more flavor and a nicer texture, and there are so many specialty types to grow.  This year I want to grow them that way again.


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