Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in no particular order:
Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.
What's your gardening style?
Frugal gardening.
Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.
Growing Fruits
Wild Parsnip - It can burn skin.
Why buy locally-grown plants?
Cheap gardening.
Buy locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.
Grow lots of fruits in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 4:56pm

Rain water versus city water for health of plants

Some interesting information here. 

"municipal system may be treated with chlorine and possibly floride (some are not), and many people think those things are harmful to plants, but rainwater contains things such as Sulfur Dioxide and many other potentially hazardous substances, acid rain ..."


The biggest difference between rain water and tap water, besides the chlorine is the hardness. Rain water is soft water. Well water is hard water. Some tap water is hard, some is soft depending upon where you live,t he source of the water and type of treatment."

"Rain water is naturally soft and has no chlorine so yes its good for the plants."

and more. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2013 at 4:32pm

So far, I measure one inch or rain today.  I'm filling lots of containers because there's no guarantee that there will be enough rain for my garden for the rest of the season.

Rain-water is better for my plants than the alkaline city water, and I think there are two other bonuses.  One is that rain-water isn't very hard like the city water, and I assume hard water deposits covering the leaves isn't good.  I have lots of soaker-hoses, all in parallel, but despite that, the sump-pump I use to water with takes hours to put-down an inch.  It's just not designed for that much resistance.  That's why I often get the hand-help sprinkler out & use it.

The other good thing about rain water is no Chlorine.  I assume chlorine is detrimental to the little critters that help the soil, as it kills bacteria.  However, I've not yet found any studies to indicate that's true.  Have any of you?

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 2:23pm

Spud, my blueberry bushes suffered this year as well because my soaker system failed in that particular bed and I was too sick/lazy to discover the problem until the bushes died back. Once I got some energy back, I checked my different beds with a moisture measure and discovered where my systems failed. It will be easy to repair next spring and in the meantime I am using hoses to soak the soils in vulnerable places. 

There were no blossoms this year, it seems, so my problem started early in the season and I didn't notice until too late for blueberries. Because this fruit is high on the list for good foods for recovery, I bought juice and some berries at the farmer's market. A nice backup. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 2:16pm
Heavy rains today and the rest of the week. Everything is so pretty and in full growth ready to ripen seeds that I gather for my daughter's forest garden. Mine are all perennials, some regenerate from seeds, so she will have a garden that doesn't need to be replanted. She has several of my grandmothers' peonies and iris,
Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2013 at 9:07am

Randall, I tried growing them many years ago and they all died.  I know more now, so if I get some land, I may try again.

My biggest concern in their taste, now that my taste buds and smell sensors are 72 years old, a lot of things I used to like taste bland now.  That's true of all the store-bought blueberries I've tried in the last quite a few years.  I'm sure fresh-picked ripe ones taste much better.  Just don't know how much.

Comment by Randall Smith on September 2, 2013 at 8:11am

Oh, the curse of growing (attempting to) blueberry plants! Let's see, just in past two years, I've planted 15 bushes (so-called). They've come from "over the internet", greenhouses, and Rural King. Small, large, cheap, expensive, potted, bare root, etc. Results? Two are still alive, one sickly looking. I've "acidified" the soil, watered, caged, weeded, and mothered (ok, fathered)  them. If these two don't make it, it's finisio--I'm done. I say good luck, Spud!!

Comment by Sentient Biped on August 30, 2013 at 9:10am

Spud, my experience with blueberries is mixed.  They usually do well here because the soil is acid.  This year I did not water the new plants enough and they dried out.  Plus deer or rabbits or other varmints ate off a lot of the new growth.  I have a big blueberry bush, about 8 feet tall.  That one does well. 

When very ripe the flavor is mild.  I need a bird net for that.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 30, 2013 at 7:11am

Sentient, you grow blueberries, correct?  How did you start them, and how do you care for them.  I understand they require a very acidic soil.  

Also, are yours mild flavored?

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 27, 2013 at 6:02pm

Plants for dry soil: 

Comment by Patricia on August 27, 2013 at 1:22pm

Yes Idaho, too much heat, too long days, & the drainage here is is impossible to keep up with. Despite hand watering several times a day along with the sprinkling regulations of alternating days, things just can't be kept wet enough. Our summers can get very hot, but usually there are enough days where we get rain here & there to keep things a bit moist anyway. Other summers, there is just nothing to help unless it stays a little cooler to slow down the evaporation. The greenhouse retains the humidity which does make a lot of difference, & my husband added a fan to keep the circulation going, as well as opening windows at each end.


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